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As I mentioned in the PM I sent Pete, I have a set of those Galli-Galli cups. These are fine cups. They would be very hard to beat. I can see why Gazzo used them.

Wait till you see the new cups that Auke Van Dokkum is making for me. They will be HUGE. I am going to have to figure out a new way to do the final loads, because these suckers will weigh about 3 pounds apiece.

But they are solid stainless. I ordered them because I wanted a definite centerpiece for my jumbo cup collection. I think these will provide it.

This is the first set of this size he is making.

BTW, when I was working the Renaissance Festival circuit, Gazzo and I were both working Scarborough Faire. He wasn't doing his Cups and Balls routine there, because he was still recovering from his problem, but I got him to do a special performance for me, anyway. He was quite gracious. It was a fine job, I might add, even though he hadn't done the routine for anyone in a long time.

Gazzo is a good fellow.
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OK Bill has said his piece, and made some good points that deserve consideration.

I'm not looking to handle mega loads either or Gary's sound pretty good. Stainless isn't the look I was after though. I have a couple sets made from stainless(small and micro)already. More interested in thick (alloyed) copper that can take a pounding. If I was heading for an upscale crowd the Riser cups would be it.

Any positive comments on the Pheonix cups from folks that use em and like em?
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I have a set of the Phoenix cups which I picked up for $60 and I reckon that is about $50 too much.

Tom Franks is a great guy but he clearly had some problems with whoever he got to make these for him. The open rim IS a sign of poor workmanship and the bead is WAY too low and sloppy, meaning that it is impossible to have three decent-sized balls in the attic. The cups wobble when stacked and are generally not very good.

If you MUST have them, look out for the seconds that crop up on eBay with alarming regularity, but don't fork out $200 for them.

If you want some GREAT cups at that sort of price then look no further than the Gary Animal Babe cups (www.magicpitch.com).

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First, I am no Cups expert. I have a solid routine that works well for me, that is what I know. I use the cups to open a 15 minute street set so I need them to meet one requirement for me & that is durable.

The Phoenix "b" cups serve that purpose. I beat on them like they were a drum to help draw a crowd & as of yet I haven't noticed a dent & they look like I think they should "old & used", but they serve me well. I have yet to find any sleight they are not capable of & could care less if they were copper or gold so really it comes down to are you going to collect them or use them.
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In defense of the Phoenix cups, I have to say that they are, with the exception of the open rim, a fairly close copy of the Bertram style cup. The Bertram cups and the Charlie Miller cups also wobble to a certain degree when they stack. Neither of these was ever intended to be used with a ball any larger than 7/8 of an inch. As for the three ball display move ... well, is it REALLY necessary? I have always felt that the cups and balls is basically about the final loads, and that the material that leads up to that part of the routine should be fairly short. The three ball display may be an unnecessary detour along the way. If you are going to use the Phoenix cups, replacing the balls that come with them with 7/8 inch baseballs or something of a similar size would be a good idea.

The Phoenix cups are heavy enough to keep steady on the table with a baby chick load, which is one of the reasons that Ross Bertram chose that design for his cups in the first place.
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Actualy I was going to use them.

I planned on throwing the box and all the other stuff away.

I was looking to beat on them for noise, let em tarnish dark brown and toss them around, like army gear.

I watched them being pounded on the sides and beat like a drum, without showing a scratch or dent. This is the treatment I plan on giving to whatever cups I chose, and most I have played with so far don't meet the mark.
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In that case, I would see if Tom has a set of B cups for sale and go for it. They are certainly heavy enough to take that punishment, and with the B cups, you wouldn't have to throw a box away or worry about diminishing any potential collector's value the cups had.

I'd still keep the wand, though. It would be pretty good for rapping urchins on the back of the hand when they reached for the pretty things on the table.

If you want a really great ball to use with these cups, go to a surplus electronics store and purchase 4 of the old fashioned type of computer mice that use the balls. Make sure the balls are all the same color. These balls are a little heavier than cork balls, don't bounce much and can be picked up with a magnet. The ones I bought are a kind of light neutral grey in color and they show up well on a black, red or green working surface. They will easily do the three ball display. They handle very well for all cups and balls moves.
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Bill was right about the wand it is made out a very hard wood(ironwood I believe) it will last a lifetime & has a look that goes well with thye cups.
The mouse balls(lol) are a great ideal, Alexander DeCova suggests using the no bounce balls which are good but expensive.
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I spoke to Alex about the no bounce balls. Seems that a magic company in Switzerland asked him to suggest the use of mouse balls and Cellini cups on his video, because they had an overstock of both.

The Cellini cups are great, BTW.
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Was just over @ magicpitch.com where I see Gary is letting go of his original animal cups (small tops) for only $99 and Gazzo Respins for $125

If you're a street worker, looking for a good sturdy cup, this is a great opportunity to get a deal.
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Hi there. I have gone though some cups in my short time sold a few too. I have to say if you want a set of cups that do what there meant to do, it has to be Gazzos Cups.
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I have owned a set of phoenix seconds for over 4 years and like them a lot. Yes they wobble a bit, but they are as hard as nails and make a great sound. I use an oak wand and hit them hard. I would never do this with any of my other cups, including my Gazzo's.
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I just got two more sets of Brett Sherwood's cups. My first set is 14/250 of the engraved silver and gold cups. The two sets that arrived yesterday are the new, smooth cups. I got one set of brass, and one set of copper.

The design, weight, and balance of the new cups are the same as the engraved sets. They are finished to a mirror-like brilliance. The brass cups look like gold and have a great ring. The copper set has a rose hue that I like a lot. I've used Viking brass sealer on the brass set, but I am looking forward to the familiar patina to develop on the copper set.

The Sherwood cups, unlike the Johnson set, can accommodate a tennis ball as a final load. And, better yet, they are priced competitively with other high-quality cups. To see them, check here: http://sherwoodmagic.com

I received my cups within four business days from the date they were shipped and, as always, Brett was a pleasure to do business with.

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P.S. No, I don't get a kickback. I just think these cups are great. Check them out!
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Mr. Clarkson, God Bless You for I live vicariously through you, Mr.Palmer and various others.

I'm an admitted Cup junkie myself and while I don't have a very large budget, I keep chipping away by adding more and more to my collection.

I thank you all for the information on these special sets and appreciate your time in giving it.

Time to go, my analyst is calling me.

Thanks Again,

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I love the two sets of cups I have: Pete Biro's Gali Gali cups and a set of Gazzo cups (which mean a lot to me because Gazzo actually worked with them and banged them up!). But I must say, from the pictures and video I've seen, I think those Cellini cups that Sonny Holiday uses are beautiful. Wish they took an orange. Anybody have those cups?

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Jim,

I just recieved a set of Cellini cups two days ago.
They are beautiful, indeed; and they will take an orange, you just can't use the same oranges that you're using in your Gazzos. Smile
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I do have a set of Cellini cups. They are nice, but they won't take a baseball and sit flat. They will take a cricket ball, though. Also, you can't do the three ball display with them, if you use reasonably large balls.

I also got a set of the smooth Sherwood cups in copper. These are really nice. I like them better than the Cellini cups.

But I do like almost every set of cups I have.
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Where can you buy the Cellini cups?
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I got mine used. But there is a magic shop in Switzerland called Zauberladen Zürich that is the source for them. Also Freer's Zauberladen in Berlin has them.

Zauberladen Zürich is located at http://www.zauberladen.com
Freer's is located at http://www.freerszauberladen.de

Both have English web pages. Freer's does not take credit cards, though.

The price at the Swiss shop is a tad high. They want $233 for the cups. Freer's wants $220.
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I want a set of Cellini cups!!!
I think they look beautiful.
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