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Jaz
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While we often over emphasize practicing to be sleight of hand artists we should strive to be performers.
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If they like you..then they'll like your act.
Self concept is destiny..
John Pilotzi
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Entertainment is so important. I've seen some great technicians who are as boring as ****! JP
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Would entertainment be part of the equation when you do it to entertain yourself?
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No matter if you are a sever move monkey or use all self working effects it is most important to be entertaining. I think everyone here agrees on that. A good example of a performer who uses rather easy magic effects but gets the most entertainment value out of them in my opinion is Aldo Columbini. I for years wasn't very impressed by what I read of his and shame on me for that. I went to his lecture this past Saturday evening and was a convert. Aldo is very good. Prime example of it's not the methods you use but the way you perform the effects.
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Bad question. Both are important. Having chops brings an inner coinfidence that can help you entertain.
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On 2009-11-16 11:26, lebowski wrote:
Bad question. Both are important. Having chops brings an inner coinfidence that can help you entertain.


How is that a bad question? I'm sorry but having chops has nothing to do with being entertaining. Nor does having chops give you the confidence either. What does give you confidence is going out and performing in front of people.

There are plenty of magicians with Chops that couldn't even entertain a group of blind monkeys let alone a group of humans.
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And there are plently of magicians who think they are entertaining because they get a laugh or two but they can't fool an infant. If you are going to ask a question like this in the "All in the Cards" section it is assumed we are talking about card magic. How many great card entertainers can you name that have no sleight-of-hand skill?
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Maybe two or three. But nothing like the list of entertaining AND skillful peformers with cards. David Williamson, John Carney, Ricky Jay, Jon Armstrong, Aaron Fisher, Darwin Ortiz, Daryl, Michael Ammar, Paul Harris, Daniel Garcia, Bill Malone, Doc Eason, Bob Sheets, Jamy Ian Swiss, and on and on and on...
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Doing a lot of shows is the way to get good, but there are a few very entertaining card guys who are entertaining without doing that. Like Paul Harris. And there are also guys that perform mostly for magicians that are entertainig, like Daryl. To me the aforementioned Aaron Fisher and Jon Armstrong are two of the most entertaning with a deck o cards. Aside from engaging personalities, they all have something in common - a high degree of skill, that skill might be invisible to the layman but I think they perceive it.
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Being entertaining has nothing to do with secret methods, so asking if one should be skillful OR entertaining makes no sense. Yes, everyone wants to be entertaining whether they have skill or not. No one wants to bore their audience to death. It is not a question of skill OR entertainment. A seasoned professional is both.
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Obviously entertainment is our goal as magicians, not even a question there. Skill is a method of creating entertainment with cards. I prefer skill to gaffs and gimmicks.
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No magician on the face of the Earth would ever say DO NOT BE ENTERTAINING so I agree with everyone who says that's a given and not even a valid question. The method to get there can be anything that works.
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Never trade entertainment value for the narcissistic needs to show skill. The skill should be a "given" but never be the main thing. Serve only one master at a time. The audience is the best choice. Nobody else pays you!

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I would say that it is crucial to be entertaining, that goes without saying. But if I am to understand your question correctly, are you asking do you have to be a technical wizard in order to be entertaining and good at the art of magic. If so, the answer is no (IMO) I would however say that you need some degree of skill and should definitely know the basics of card handling along with some fundamental sleights, this way you can even make self workers more powerful.

I would suggest that it in order to become entertaining you need to get real world experience be it for friends, family or when you are out in a social situation. (eventually moving up the ranks and getting your own gigs, perhaps charity events to start with before taking on paid jobs)

I would recommend finding six or so effect that you really like, learn the sleights required and build a good presentation around the effect as that is where the skill of being entertaining lies.

Hope This Helps.
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the crowd was amazed, held them literally in the palm of my hand.....


literally? That's a BIG hand (or a tiny crowd...!)
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