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Hopefully a lot of the criticism will prove constructive and help improve Little Man before release. Just an idea but how about listing the things we'd like to see improved so PHP can work on these before release. I'd like to see:

1. Improved walking. Rather than rotating each side I'd like to see 1 foot slide forward at a time.
2. More steps, at the moment it seems to be a lot of build up for a relatively short walk. I'm afraid people will miss the walk, especially when performing to larger crowds.
3. A bigger bag, it seems odd to work on something so small.
4. Can the tub appear a little less uniform and attached to the bag, at the moment it looks fixed in place, unnatural and suspicious.
5. Options to perform Little Man on something other than the bag or instructions on adapting the effect to other surfaces.
6. To be able to perform Little Man without adding card to the feet. I know a "naked" version has been promised but at present I have no idea what this actually means.
7. I'd like the possibility to make the figure as large as possible and certainly larger than an additional 1/3 the size shown in the video, again for larger audiences.
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@Havens: That is Little Man 2.0. It is to be released in 2012**.





** or when everyone who wants Little Man 1.0 has purchased one, whichever is earlier.
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On 2010-01-10 15:59, Amiable wrote:
@Havens: That is Little Man 2.0. It is to be released in 2012**.
** or when everyone who wants Little Man 1.0 has purchased one, whichever is earlier.


Exactly. I'm hoping PHP will benefit from the feedback gained by the early announcement of the product.
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A demo with an audience would be great
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On 2010-01-10 18:37, amedica wrote:
A demo with an audience would be great


It took us long enough to get the one we have.... It might be easier to simply show the current one on a big screen to a live studio audience!
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On 2010-01-10 18:37, amedica wrote:
A demo with an audience would be great


It took us long enough to get the one we have.... It might be easier to simply show the current one on a big screen to a live studio audience!


with the L&L audience?
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With the L&L audience?
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HAHA....Brilliant, It's always good to see a familiar face or two
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On 2010-01-06 13:38, runawayjag wrote:
The unfortunate thing is that the action looks like a magnet is making the little doll shuffle, even if it is not, and that is exactly what spectators will think. So, I think the mystery element is gone, no matter how clever the actual method really is.


yes I agree 100%: a saying in magic states exactly that

no matter if spectators have the wrong solution: as long as they believe they have the solution.

a wrong solution is as bad as the right one


other than that.... I think that poor little man is so cute and hes trying to do his best to walk
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That's why the walking needs to be a means to a very magical end instead of an end itself.
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On 2010-01-10 20:55, ziggystarsane wrote:
With the L&L audience?



HAHA....Brilliant, It's always good to see a familiar face or two
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I LOVE the L&L audience!

ACE
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The one leg at a time suggestion seems a little unrealistic
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On 2010-01-08 13:53, Robert M wrote:
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On 2010-01-08 05:08, Sybilmagic wrote:
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I think it was Angelo Carbone's idea to make a penguin rather than a little man.

Have to agree with Pete. Perhaps it's time to lock this unproductive thread. I wish those who criticize would stop and think about how much time, effort, and expense goes into creating something like this.

Robert


I don't see your point. I work as a professional software engineer. A team can work for years on an application that is beautifully written but might not even see the light of day due to strong criticism. Why is Paul Harris et al. immune to valid points about the what we have seen? The thread is prouductive as it gives other magicians the oppurtunity to prove or disprove their opinion of what they have seen. This is about making informed choices and this thread is helping magicians through that thought process.

I have seen far stronger critique of other products on the market and those threads don't get locked. Prehaps the Café has made a deal to sell advertising for 'Little Man' and therefore doesn't want to support any negative vibes that magicians might have?

Seriously, there is nothing unproductive about this thread apart from the posts that feel the need to wrap the producers of Little Man in cotton wool and tell them that magicians are unable to make informed decisions based on the audiences they perform to.

If anyone does have postives then post them. I like to see a balanced arguement. To be honest the postives so far feel like magicians clutching a straws rather than tweaking the routine.

Just for balance I will always be indebted to Paul Harris for his creative thinking and AOA books and ability to produce some exceptional material. His thinking is thought provoking. No one is questioning Paul Harris' contribution to the Magic community but people do like to make an informed opinion.


All I'm saying is... if this was your trick, I don't think you'd appreciate all the negativity before the product is even released, especially by people who don't even plan on purchasing it. This isn't about "informed choices" because the trick isn't even available yet.

I think we should at least wait until Little Man is released before we crucify him. Surely no one really believed that Little Man was going to walk like a real person or did they? Sometimes I think magicians are more gullible than lay people.

The "creative" thread that Steve Hook started seems to be much more productive than this one - at least at this point. No one's trying to censor anyone. I just wish those who are so quick to criticize would try to put themselves in Paul's or Rodney's or Mark's shoes. It's so easy to be critical yet so incredibly hard to be the one who creates all this cool stuff.

Peace,
Robert


Again to parrot what has already been said. No one is negating Paul's contributions to magic. However, a creator should hear much of what is being said about their product. Whether it is the anticipation of it's release or the actual review. What everyone here is giving feedback on is on this video's representation of Little Man. IF they did not want to hear the hype...they would not have put it out before the release of the effect. This is exactly what the boards are for. Discussion. No one should pat anyone on the back just because it took time and effort to create something. If the trick is poorly represented, executed or even weakly designed it NEEDS to be pointed out.It also needs to be heard by Paul. It certainly will be voiced by an audience.
Simply put.. If not...nothing improves. In the old days, if you were demonstrating a trick ( in a bar instead of a message board) to the professionals and it was poor, you would be eaten alive. That honest "punch" you described...is needed. Why lock it? After 20 pages....I doubt anyone would have to read on to get the overwhelming feedback that this is not what was expected and people are disappointed in it. Simply taking it away or locking it out...will not prevent it from existing. Just turning a blind eye to it. As a creater...you should WANT to hear it. I find it hard to believe Paul would have been suprised to hear such lashback. He took WAY to long to put out a promotional video and before it was released already started to offer a "bonus".
Oh...and to wonder if anyone believed that it would actually take a step one leg at a time? It stated that in the add, why would they NOT believe it? Gullible? I have a better phrase. Misrepresentation. Then you imply that people don't have the class they should because they are calling him on it? I think you have it backwards.

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Live Clay-mation action would have been a better description of 'Little Man'.

Fully examinable is another description, which needs revision as I know some audiences that would tear up the bag and pull all the clay out of the container to prove they will not be fooled.

I have been a Paul Harris fan since his 1st publication, but ever since he left for several years and has returned to magic, it seems he is just selling his name to tricks of other peoples. No one hears from him in any form, so is it a Paul Harris creation. I do not see any Paul Harris creativity in this effect at all.

This Little Man would have been a top seller in the 1960's, but I think audiences are a little more knowledgeable today. And the price, it is over the top for a close up effect, but that seems to be the magic $ amount that is attached to exclusive new items on the market today.

The effect is what I thought would finally turn out, I did not believe the ad in the 1st place. I did think it would have the little 'Playskool' hat included though.

Not a bad effect, if it wasn't misrepresented by the original advertising.
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Is it really a failure?

are we not fully astonished?
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On 2010-01-11 04:34, amedica wrote:
The one leg at a time suggestion seems a little unrealistic

Agreed. The cost for that improvement may be hundreds of dollars more. As it is, the clay man actually shuffles, and technically, shuffling is indeed a form of walking. Reminds me of Tim Conway's "Little old man" on the old Carol Burnette show.

But for the little guy to raise each leg, perhaps bend the knees, put each foot down as he steps, would require technology, I'm afraid far beyond the reach of Even Paul Harris. More along the lines of George Lucas and ILM, I'd say.

THe right music would be nice, here.. Gollywog's cake-walk would be appropriate.
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On 2010-01-11 06:36, wmhegbli wrote:
Live Clay-mation action would have been a better description of 'Little Man'.



Good Description wm. That is exactly what I was expecting. That is how a clay person walks. And that is fully how I was expecting him to walk. When I first saw the ad, I imagined "clay-mation" walking, and this was what was in my mind. I don't see the big deal. He is walking taking a step at a time(in Clay-mation land).
This is like bringing a cartoon to life.

I still probably will not get this, as I don't do table top magic.

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Just a reminder: There are 2 other threads running about creative ways to potentially use "Little Man". Here are the links for both. They're tucked away for some reason in the "Little Darlings" section, but both threads contain some decidedly mature (and entertaining) themes:

Positive creative ideas for "Little Man"
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=17&44

and

Little Man presentation ideas
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=17&15

Robert M
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On 2010-01-11 16:54, professorwhut wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjFXnJc0Q0U


lol I remember those!
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I think the reason one of those threads was moved was because it was off topic for this forum (Latest and Greatest), and rather than just delete it, it was moved to the Little Darlings forum where someone had started the same kind of thread already. Thus, the reason for having two threads for similiar topics.
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