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I've had one person google one of my tricks while I was working. They told me they could not find it. I was telling them I use body language to do it. They did not believe me. When they could not find it, I told them once again, body language.
Maybe we should not use the real name of the effect. Even if they find it, they will not get the secret, but will be discouraged if they have to spend $300.

I just googled "play doh man" and this is the best match I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWy0AKqHpU

Go to the one minute mark to see him walk. This is how one would expect a play doh man to walk. And this is sort of how little man walks. So if people see this and expect this, then little man is doing his job.

Janet: I'm wondering if little man can fall over onto a toothpick like in this video. That would be fun. Or have different colored tooth picks set up at an angle, and little man falls onto the chosen one. And we blindfold him before his destruction...

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On 2010-01-07 16:29, Acecardician wrote:

I just googled "play doh man" and this is the best match I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWy0AKqHpU



It says "The URL contained a malformed video ID".
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On 2010-01-07 16:29, Gospel Dan wrote:

This forum is not intended to discuss creative idea's and in my personal opinion shows a disregard to the rules and those who work hard to keep this place what it is.



Dan, please keep posting away. Your posts definitely continue to build your reputation.
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On 2010-01-07 16:45, Joe Mauro wrote:
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On 2010-01-07 16:29, Acecardician wrote:

I just googled "play doh man" and this is the best match I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWy0AKqHpU



It says "The URL contained a malformed video ID".


Well, it worked awhile ago, that makes it even harder for lay people to find something.
Try to google play doh man and see if you can find it. It is a you tube video.
I'll try again for the link.
This is what I get:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWy0AKqHpUY&NR=1

And go to the one minute mark.

ACE
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I think that the team need to get the 'better demo video' up very quickly as clearly, based on the current demo, a LOT of sales are gonna be lost.

I too was captivated by the idea, but the walking simple isn't walking. Perhaps the effect should have been held off for another year or two until a more natural walk could be achieved?

Yes I know it sounds like asking a lot, but if you SAY he can walk, he should WALK Smile

Keeping an eye on this thread Smile

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On 2010-01-07 11:36, Robert M wrote:
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On 2010-01-07 10:46, Chance Wolf wrote:
Not sure if this has been recommended as I cannot sift through 390 posts.
Let's follow Mr. Muggle's lead as he came very close to the "walking" solution by forming a Penguin which walks almost exactly as a real Penguin.
I am sure you can create many story lines for the little Black n White suited bird or anything else you can sculpt with a theme to fit the shuffle.
Maybe a Michael Jackson concept aint to bad...not sure if I want to go there creatively yet Smile
If we begin to think outside the box I am sure many cool ideas will come forth.
Chance


I think it was Angelo Carbone's idea to make a penguin rather than a little man.

Have to agree with Pete. Perhaps it's time to lock this unproductive thread. I wish those who criticize would stop and think about how much time, effort, and expense goes into creating something like this.

Robert


I don't believe anyone said anything negative about the time, effort and expense regarding this project and I certainly don't believe this thread should be locked because people have opinions that don't agree with yours.

Robert, do you know how much time, effort and expense went into creating the Edsel automobile(dating myself here)? It didn't fly regardless of what went into creating the Edsel. In the end the public didn't like the car so it died.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter what went into creating Little Man. If some do not like it they will not purchase it.

To stifle the voices of those who do not like this and give the views as to why would just be plain wrong and give the appearance of censorship because of who Paul Harris is in the magic community.
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I certainly don't think it should be locked. I think some people need to grow up a bit and realise that, in this world, people have different opinions.
Ordering for a thread to be locked because people aren't saying what you want them to say is a very dictatorish attitude.

Just because it's produced by Paul Harris, that doesn't mean we all have to fall to our knees and praise this mana from above, regardless of quality.

The thing that has annoyed me here is the misleading advertising. Claiming that it "comes to life" and "walks step by step" is quite patently wrong and in the UK you would have a case under the Trades Descriptions Act for false advertising. It moves along, yes, but certainly doesn't look like it "comes to life".

The whole point here is that some people are impressed by the video and others, like myself, expected something a great deal better. Espeecially when the name Paul Harris is attached to it.


The proof in the pudding is whether people are still discussing/using it a year from now. Time will tell...
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I think it was Angelo Carbone's idea to make a penguin rather than a little man.

Have to agree with Pete. Perhaps it's time to lock this unproductive thread. I wish those who criticize would stop and think about how much time, effort, and expense goes into creating something like this.

Robert


I don't see your point. I work as a professional software engineer. A team can work for years on an application that is beautifully written but might not even see the light of day due to strong criticism. Why is Paul Harris et al. immune to valid points about the what we have seen? The thread is prouductive as it gives other magicians the oppurtunity to prove or disprove their opinion of what they have seen. This is about making informed choices and this thread is helping magicians through that thought process.

I have seen far stronger critique of other products on the market and those threads don't get locked. Prehaps the Café has made a deal to sell advertising for 'Little Man' and therefore doesn't want to support any negative vibes that magicians might have?

Seriously, there is nothing unproductive about this thread apart from the posts that feel the need to wrap the producers of Little Man in cotton wool and tell them that magicians are unable to make informed decisions based on the audiences they perform to.

If anyone does have postives then post them. I like to see a balanced arguement. To be honest the postives so far feel like magicians clutching a straws rather than tweaking the routine.

Just for balance I will always be indebted to Paul Harris for his creative thinking and AOA books and ability to produce some exceptional material. His thinking is thought provoking. No one is questioning Paul Harris' contribution to the Magic community but people do like to make an informed opinion.
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WOW...to be a " Little " man , they provoque a BIG controverse.
My feels about the product are the same BUT I need to recognize that I re-read the ad and in fact Mrs. Janet Harris is right, they mention the bag.
So, my apologies for my previous comment.
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On 2010-01-07 12:57, Potty the Pirate wrote:
Showing the demo video to your friends is bad form. Of course, show it to fellow magi's, but not to your laymen friends. The video is intended as a demo for magicians, not for critical review as if it were a performance. If you as a performer can't see the potential in it, it's unlikely your friends will either.
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This makes no sense in the slightest. The demo video IS how the trick would look to any human being magician OR layman. Their opinion is just as valid in both cases. I actually showed it to friends hoping that the method was NOT that obvious just to ensure that it was a true test. They all seemed to have similar opinions. Perhaps the video could do with some more presentation around it BUT the fact still remains that when effect occurs the method may be a bit obvious. Even with all the proving it still gives them something to cling onto.

On the Google search point I guess you are entitled to your opinion. To be honest I think most people would not even bother searching for methods in this case as it is fairly clear how it works.

I agree that method is secondary and presentation comes first but you are a magician and they have to believe (play along) with the fact that you are doing magic this did not produce that moment for my friends or myself.
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I've actually been too scared to show my girlfriend the demo as I really want to believe in this effect but I'm sure I'll know her reaction to it and it's one I don't want to hear.

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On 2010-01-07 18:44, GarySumpter wrote:
I think that the team need to get the 'better demo video' up very quickly as clearly, based on the current demo, a LOT of sales are gonna be lost.

I too was captivated by the idea, but the walking simple isn't walking. Perhaps the effect should have been held off for another year or two until a more natural walk could be achieved?

Yes I know it sounds like asking a lot, but if you SAY he can walk, he should WALK Smile
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I agree the demo definitely isn't doing Little Man any favours, the cuts are bad and we barely see him move. What we need is a straight performance, not cuts or close-ups. Just the demo. Audience reaction would be great too.
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OK I have thought long and hard about this and I have come up with a plausible presentation. On a positive note UK magicians will remember the playdoh (stop motion animation) character Morph. Morph is even the same colour as little man! I am sure there would be some entertianment value in modeling Morph and then having Morph move and do something comical. The jerky walking motion could also be worked into the patter as something to do with stop motion...
see Morph perform a card trick here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSMRPKM1evk

but come on guys

I can only imagine this working if you build a strong enough presentation around it. The kind where even if they do want to work it out ( and even if they did they don't care) they don't becuase they feel emotionaly involved.

1. is this still clutching as straws?
2. Show this demo to as many lay people as possible. I think you will be suprised at how intelligent some people are. I hate to say it but I think the only crowd that would like this is children. I think they would love it!
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Show a demo of a magical trick without context and presentation to a layman? Why in the world would you do that? It would be really bad in my opinion, not only for this effect in particular, but also in general.
I like to keep an aura of mistery around my magical effects. If you show that it is just a trick that you can buy online and that can be done without the proper presentation, you will destroy everything magical about it.
I didn't want to write anything in this topic because I am not going to buy Little Man, but only beacuse I don't have the money. I think it is a wonderful effect and I can only imagine the reactions of the people with the proper presentation.
They will ask themselves how did you do it. They will think to magnets. They will think to invisible thread. Maybe someone will even guess the right method (which since now is only been supposed, since nobody still owns the props). Who cares??? Everytime you do a magical show people try to understand how did you do it and come up with strange explanations, but our magic should not stop at fooling spectators, but to entertain them. The emotions you arise with your show must be much more impressive than the sense of fooling, in my opinion.
And that's why I envy who can buy Little Man and astonish people with it.

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I really don't see how any amount of setting the mood, scene, lighting or a Eugene Berger charged presentation would get away from the fact that the movement looks mechanical and there is a clear relation from the box through the bag to the man.

Watch David Copperfield's flying trick. Are you telling me that you were not thinking 'how the hell is he still flying in those perspex boxes?'. Your brain will have been looking for logical answers and when none could be found, then it became magical. Think about Copperfield wiggling his feet in the death saw trick, think about the magician with the hoop proving the floating woman is suspended in thin air. They are removing the doubt so that audiences can experiance the magic. The reason the hoop and the feet wiggling exsists is because the performer wants to remove any possible solution.

At a young age I always remember a friend of mine saying that David Copperfield has to be able to do real magic. Walking through the great wall of china etc.. and at the time I had to agree with him becuase I could think of no explanation.

What are you trying to tell people? that you can bring something to life, I don't think so!
Thinking about Eugene Berger I have seen him do a sceance trick where he wraps a pen and a piece of paper up in a hanky and the pen appears to write the name of someone. That is real magic! and is beleivable. The gimmick goes unnoticed due to the setting and the style it with which it is performed. Saying you can bring plastacine to life is a big claim and the mechanics and obvious workings will undoubtly make you a laughing stock if you are trying to make this outlandish claim.
Like I said the only people that would 'buy' this effect are kids and they are likely to have toys that do similar things at home!
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Strange man - I don't understand how you could take a plasticine figure, make it walk and NOT feel you could get a reaction from it.

I think you contradict yourself when you say that Eugene Burger makes a great presentation with the haunted hank as a spirit writing effect. You say "saying you can bring plastacine to life is a big claim" but you think that Eugene telling you that spirits are writing on a piece of card isn't? Both claims are equally outlandish, but Eugene makes his fly in the context of a performance. The Little Man video isn't a performance - it is a demo.

Everyone has their own unique style, and a large part of that dictates the material that we use. I find routines I love that I am unable to present convincingly, due to my style and character. Every other performer must have the same experience.

I feel 99% sure that Little Man would be a great addition to my work.

Not that it matters, but I also don't show laypeople demo videos if at all avoidable. People have no investment in watching a performance on youtube, and everything becomes more about the technique.

Music is an example. Watch a band on youtube, and you'll notice times people are out of tune, or key, and wonder what the fuss is about. See the band live, and then you get what you don't from the video - the performance.
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The difference between a demo and a performance is the same that there is between showing a new effect to a fellow magician in you magic club, and then doing the same effect in front of an audience. That's why I will never show a magical trick to a spectator in the same way I would show it to you, and why I would never never show a demo online to a layman.

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Sybilmagic not Strange Man, I agree with your post, and your opinions that are shared by many others. I also don't see a problem with showing the demo (which apparently took 2 months to make) to laypeople.

IMO You make a valid point in regards to Eugene Berger and his sceance trick because the difference is the trick helps sell the presention, rather than needing a strong presentation to sell the trick. I have read some good creative thoughts about presentation idea's for little man on another forum here on the Café, but the common factor seems to be an emphasise on having a strong presentation. Now, this is true, and I won't argue that point. Sometimes even with just a sponge ball and a strong presentation you can create a very strong magical moment. I suppose some of us are asking ourselves do I need to spend $300 on an effect that will only work if I have a strong routine and presentation for it? I could also be alone on that thought as well, who knows.(lol)

I always found that a great trick is one that can be performed without saying a single word while performing it. Adding a presentation to it is supposed to be the icing on the cake, not the entire ingredients to a trick. But, hey, what do I know., Smile
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On 2010-01-08 10:29, Roland78 wrote:
The difference between a demo and a performance .....


The demo has overdubbed heartbeats and camera zooms... that more than the real performance will have.
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Ask yourself this
would you be as excited or think LM is worth $300 if Paul Harris's name wasn't attached to it?

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Is Paul Harris going to be in Blackpool?
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