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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
Since it came up in another thread, and since I have found out I am not the only one here interested in gaslights, shadows and murder. So, let's step into the Ten Bells Pub, pull up a seat and enjoy a pint and discuss all things "Jackish."
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
You're not the only one. They just all hang out in the Spooky forum.
Some, such as myself, have even posted once or twice here: http://forum.casebook.org/ I've only read two or three books, however. |
Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
Yup I frequent the case book
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Let's continue the Cornwell discussion here.
Of course, if she were someone like...say...Norman Mailer or Philip Roth rather than a hack, then maybe I would have had enough respect for her to buy the book. But she is a hack. Other hacks know they are hacks. They get rich laughing at us and themselves. I won't name names, though if I were to name names I would only use last names like Patterson or Kellerman. But they wouldn't confuse themselves for artists like Chandler or Ellroy. Cornwell does...or at least her self-indulgent and pretentious writing makes me think she does. And so this hack who greatly overestimates her own artistry and cleverness decides that she is going to personally solve the single greatest mystery of modern crime by jetting over to England, staying in fancy hotels while her hired researchers solve the case once and for all--as if all the dozens, or even hundreds of people who have spent 100 times more time researching the case than she had were a bunch of amateurs--has the arrogance to title her book "Case Closed". Right. Everyone can shut their notebooks and go back to watching re-runs of "The Waltons". We know who Jack the Ripper is, finally, thanks to her cleverness and financial sacrifice (she hired the researchers with her own money!) and nose for detection. Nope. I ain't buying her book, or any other book she ever writes. I don't like her. |
Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
I bought Patricia Cornwell's book and I don't buy it.
Her nature is one of arrogance and I can live with that, but she came into, as you stated, the greatest mystery of modern crime, the greatest cold case, and without a courteous nod to the experts of case, Begg, Fido, Skinner and Evans, in fact she publicly derided them, she launches on a crusade to destroy a man she claims was the killer. She publicly called Donald Rumbelow a ghoul for making money off of the Ripper Tour. She said anyone who profits off of murder is a ghoul. I would love to ask her just what is it she does then? True Walter Sickert was a flake. True Sickert had an interest in the case, but so did the rest of England, Europe and the many people throughout the entire world. True Sickert can be tied to one of the letters by DNA, but this is mtDNA and the letter has widely been regarded as a hoax, and that far from puts a knife into his hands and places him at the scene of any of the crimes. The biggest hole in her entire theory is that Walter Sickert was not in London for any of the murders and at the time of the Mary Jane Kelly murder, records of the time place him in France.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I love the idea of the tour. If you were in San Jose I'd show you were murders took place including one at the end of the street where I lived at the time that was credited, then, to the Manson Family (happened a week after Tate) but turned out to be a serial killer in my neighborhood. Good times. Hollywood has some great graveline tours.
I think that people need to understand the White Chapel of the time. Full of people, I mean an unbelievable amount of people from around the world with a great many just being bad people while many more were drunks, prostitues, and just generally the kind of folks I always enjoyed hanging out with. Getting a hooker and killing her wouldn't have been much of a chore, but man the Ripper did a number on them. I've no clue who did it but I like the image of the time and place, the gut of the city, and this madman walking among everyone. |
Mark Rough Inner circle Ivy, Virginia 2110 Posts |
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On 2009-09-09 10:54, stoneunhinged wrote: Not to mention that she's just dead wrong. Kotah has a good lead though.
What would Wavy do?
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
IMHO if someone did find the answer, it would be shouted down by those making a profit off of 'maintaining the mystery.'
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-09-09 17:15, Steve_Mollett wrote: Kinda like crop circles? John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2009-09-09 17:34, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: LOL! Unless it's not funny. |
Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Kotah should be chiming in here soon. He has someinteresting insights and also on the Zodiac Killer as well.
Kotah (Ron Dayton) as many know assisted me in the documentation and story material provided with my 'Eye Of The Ripper' release. (Yes, available)
Higley's Giant Flea Pocket Zibit
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Zodiac! I point out the exit he killed a couple off of everytime we pass it on the way to the bay area.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Dreadnought, when do you expect your book to be done? Can you name me as a suspect? I may have done it.
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
Time line probably another two years.
The book should have been out by now. But I halted and almost threw away all of the research due to Ms. Cromwell. I had mentioned on the Casebook.org site that I was pursuing a lead into a post Mary Kelly victim. Hind sight being what it is, I mentioned the victim’s name and what led me there. The next thing I knew, a year later, it was appearing in Patricia’s Cromwell’s book as her own theory. Since the cat is already out, the victim was a young boy named John Gill who was found brutally murdered, his throat cut, his abdomen laid open, organs missing and was dismembered and put back together in a very disturbing manner. I stumbled upon John Gill when I noticed a pattern. I went to the casebook site and asked if anyone knew of any killings, more horrible than Kelly that occurred on December 29 1888 anywhere in England. The next day I received an e-mail from one of the notable experts on the crimes, former police officer Stewart Evans author of Letters from Hell and The Complete Jack the Ripper Companion and other books and articles on the subject. Stewart’s e-mail gave me the John Gill murder and he said that he often thought the murder was linked but most would argue against it, and he could understand why, as it occurred in Bradford some 200 miles away. We both agreed that whomever the murderer of John Gill maybe, this was not his first and concerning the Whitechapel murders this does show a progression of violence. He then asked me how I came upon the specific date and I told him of the pattern to which he responded “intriguing.” So, not being one to let sleeping dogs lie, last month I picked up my files and started again. My theory rests in the fact that first off, you have to connect the five canonical victims, which is not a problem. That means that the killer would naturally have to be placed at each crime scene. Or after 121 years, at least be shown to have the capability to have and the strong probability to be at the crime scenes. I also believe that if the two other more probable non-canonical victims, Martha Tabram and John Gill could be logically tied to the canonical killings then that would add fuel to the fire and open the doors and possibily a window into narrowing or broadening the suspect list. Originally starting with Martha Tabram’s murder in George Yard, I only made it as far as the second canonical victim, Annie Chapman with any real in depth analysis. I have also done some odd and end work on Mary Jane Kelly; however, I am having to start again by reviewing the cases and piecing together some of my notes and really see just what I have gathered. The book will speak about the history of finger prints and DNA as well take a look at psychological profiling, geographical profiling, time of death estimation and oral and written statement analysis as well as the history of Victorian England and its practices especially regarding burial and work practices. Regarding a suspect, I do not name a suspect although while researching I did come upon a suspect that so far, fits the mold. Will I reveal him in a future book or article? I have no idea. A few people on the casebook board know whom I suspect and have helped gather information. As for mentioning you Santa, not a problem I can and will definitely fit you in.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Nice!
I was pondering this during my commute. Who ever the killer was it had to be a normal person in appearance. I know from experience that picking up random women on the street (hookers or not) in my wilder days that the first thing they do is decide if you look 'harmless'. That edge can be reduced with charm but a suspect, like the Mad Jew, would have been incapable of picking up women inparticular after it became known that the murders were occuring. |
Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
Exactly.
As the scare thickens, he would have to be someone they trusted and felt secure around. Someone who made them feel safe. Someone they knew and was of the area. And I'll stop right there. I won't go any further.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
In the introduction to his story "The Prowler in the City At The Edge of the World" Harlan suggests the concept of an "Invisible Man" one who would be seen and just not acknowledged. He says he can't go as far as to actually suggest the person he's thinking of, but he can give him a fictional assistant and THIS was the guy in Harlan's world.
Anyone here see "Time After Time?" I liked the film, but even I had problems with the idea that they "identified" the Ripper, but couldn't get him because he'd disappeared (into a time machine.) Not to mention the fact that they messed up the last murder. Incidently (sp), while I never read her "Ripper" book, I do like her mysteries.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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