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stephane_arnow Loyal user 283 Posts |
I find good the design of the mirror. A little change and refreshment for this illusion fabulous, but often seen ( but not often seen with the real design and the right deceptiveness ). I like this Farla version.
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stephane_arnow Loyal user 283 Posts |
Another version that I like, one of the best for me (timing, looking) is the one from my friend Bertran Lotth in France. He has change the mirror with a Awning-window and a japenese looking. When the box is closed, we can see a shadow of the girl behind the window, and he open it to reveal that nobdy is behind. Then he place the sword. I never ask him if it is an legimitate Origami. In all case, very nice.
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MagicErik Loyal user Sneek, Netherlands 284 Posts |
Removing the mirror in the act of the Dinnershow is probably because of the people on three sides, and probably a decission from the show director. If it's good or bad is a question of taste. The illusion is done within 2 minutes. With just 2 swords. It looks like a lot of the act was scripted out of the show. But still I like this performance. But that is my opinion. It is fast, it is different...
Personaly I like the round mirror. I never liked the original mirror, because I don't think it fits in the story of Origami art form from China. With a themed mirror you can fit this illusion into a story. You could theme Ori like a flightcase and explain how it helps storing your magic. In that case you could give the mirror a bit of 'on the road' look to it. Just because it's a Steinmeyer invention does not mean that it's a piece of holyness and you can't make it fit in your act..? What I do not like is people saying it is a bad ripp-off, not an original, and therefore one of the most ugly pieces of junk ever in magic history while it turns out to be a one of a kind Gaughan original. ;-) It turns out to be a one of a kind version made for a male person. Perhaps it's an idea for Farla to get in himself...? And still due to the cut out on the sides etc I think Gaughan did a good job on this one. Daniel Summers has Christian's performance of Foul Play on his website: http://www.danielsummers.com/foulplay.html I think somehow it was meant to be like that. And I have never seen him perform Foul Play Live in any of his shows... |
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MagicErik Loyal user Sneek, Netherlands 284 Posts |
Thanks Rafael to clear things up in this topic!
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Uh, MagicErik, Origami is Japanese, not Chinese. The round mirror does not look very Japanese in style to me. I also just happen to think it's an unattractive design, but that's me.
On whether or not to use the mirror being a matter of taste, I completely disagree. It serves a lot more than a practical function. To discard the mirror is to display a lack of understanding about this illusion. There is a lot more happening in the mind of the audience than "girl goes in box, box gets folded up, box is unfolded, girl gets out". This piece is a bit of a game, a puzzle, for the audience, as it's meant to be. The mirror leads them down the garden path and adds another layer of mystery to the routine. Jim will tell you himself that this is a colossal mistake. In one show during Doug Henning's tour they performed the Origami without the mirror (because it couldn't be used due to breakage or something). They contacted Jim to ask the best way to do this. Jim's advice: Don't do it. Leave it out of the show. They ended up performing it anyway and, after the experience, never did so again without the mirror. Why? Because they realized Jim was right. Suddenly, the whole thing becomes about the table. The apparatus becomes aesthetically unbalanced without the mirror.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Jay Mahon Special user 983 Posts |
A good reading of Jarret is in order...
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gulamerian Special user 581 Posts |
Illucifer, you are right about the mirror.
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Erik, from my memory the mirror was always added to show the spectators the box from every side. This is the first time that I have heard of the mirror being tied to an origami story line.
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Illucifer,
I can't agree more on what you've said in your last post. Years ago I had an mail exchange with Jim Steinmeyer about Origami and its presentation, specially mistakes made by a lot of magician. The two common mistakes are : - Not using the mirror in the effect - Wrong way entrance of the assistant or magician into the open box. Erik, I never said that everything that Jim Steinmeyer has brought out are pieces of holyness and he says it himself (ref: "Device & Illusions"). I believe that before making major changes on something, and the mirror is a major part of the illusion and the presentation, somebody should always think twice and maybe get advice. Stephane gave a good exemple : Bertran Lotth's Origami "mirror". I too think that his variation and presentation idea looks beautiful, has sense and has the right size. I regret, but Christian's mirror is far too small, so out of designer size to the table and the box. But as Rafael stated, at least in this video he used a mirror. Concerning the oval design of the mirror, this is just a question of taste, as football, religion and politique : Three things you should never arge with somebody else. ; - ) Oliver. |
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Frank Simpson Special user SW Montana 883 Posts |
I think that another topic that arises with the whole mirror debate is the fact that Origami was created to be presented as a patter piece rather than a silent piece.
The patter justifies the mirror and does indeed play an important part in the psychology of the illusion. To remove it, while it may not be mechanically necessary (and if it is properly built by an authorized builder it is necessary) it is an important part presentationally. The lack of understanding of this aspect of performance does not make it a good idea to omit it. As my boss used to say, "in my humble but accurate opinion." |
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Amen Frank.
Watching the exemples of Doug Henning and David Copperfield show exactly what you're talking about. And in my opinion, this will lead to another topic : today most magician think of buy a box, learn the technical parts, put their ideas in, but leave often the most important parts out. This might aswell come from the companies selling the illusions. They just maybe sell them, but maybe don't explain everything important that you need to know, except of the technical part. I know that Jim Steinmeyer is a very nice guy and always willing to help and answer your questions to help you understand and tilt you in the right direction of the do and don'ts, specially with his creations. Oliver. |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
I have always presented this (as well as most illusions) as a talking piece. The audience wants to be engaged and taken on a journey. What is this strange device? What is it for?
Give their minds something to chew on besides the latest top 40 single. They'll appreciate you and the effect a lot more.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Wayne Dobson New user 7 Posts |
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On 2009-09-28 18:36, Rafael (Belgium) wrote: My Origami was sold to a English Magician Joe Knight and as far as I am aware he still owns it, hoowever the person that used to store my props built some unauthorised copies of mine..... Wayne Dobson
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Hi Wayne,
I just heard the same so I'm glad you confirmed it! Christian told me he bought your origami and since he also has a lot of your other illusions I had no reason to doubt him! I thought I had my information from a reliable source...(I only looked briefly at the video's and never saw Christian perform his origami live otherwise it would be easy to see who build it as I have a Gaughan one and Hans Klok has a wellington, which I played with during rehearsals, so I am very familiar with the details...) To bad Christian doesn't owns geniune one and sorry to hear that the person who stored your material (P.H.)build some unauthorised copies! |
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Jay Mahon Special user 983 Posts |
So we have confirmed that this is in fact a knock off and that it can store a washing machine, which is in no way connected to Wayne Dobson.
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serg Elite user Ukraine 433 Posts |
I'm very glad ,that Wayne Dobson confirmed this information!Sometimes even Rafael can make mistake...But I say you before:this is no Gaughan's or Wellington's version,why you not trust me?If I don't know - I not say.I not understand why Farla buy this garbage?He has money and he has reputation??? Serg.
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Serg,
Shhhh, don't tell anyone that I'm not perfect ! I like to keep it a secret that I'm human to ;-) (I trusted Christian without double checking the facts, lesson learned....) |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Ah, vindication! Sublime.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Gurido New user 6 Posts |
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On 2009-09-28 19:10, Oliver Ross wrote: I too. If you changes size you need to be careful a wonderful illusion can become bad |
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Wayne Dobson New user 7 Posts |
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On 2009-10-01 10:40, Jay Mahon wrote: Yes it is definately a 'Knock Off' and I have a good idea who built it? In fact the person who used to store my props had full access to my Origami and when I approached him about copying my Origami, he denied it by saying, quote "His version was 2 inches shorter than mine", unquote, "That says it all really", However believe me when I say that person that I am refering to has no morals and doesn't give a S*@! about who he upsets, which is one of the reasons why we haven't spoke for the past 12 years. Wayne Dobson
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