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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Nope. Not my kind of movie...
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
I never saw this either
thanks psyc.samurai |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
No problem. Seems like many have not seem it.
And are very shocked when they do!
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Why would someone with genuine powers have almost 1,000 posts on a magicians helping magicians board?
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
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On 2009-10-04 13:08, Jonathan wrote: That was my thought, Psychic Samurai, if you could do something truly paranormal, you'd be more famous than you are. Your a magician, Randi knows your a magician trying to fool him and he won't entertain your ego trip. Forgive me if that sounds harsh, but your posts on this subject do come across rather obsessively. Back to Derren. On a personal level, I haven't enjoyed the series. His explanations have been very poor. Many members of the public have shared their disappointment with me. I appreciate you can't do an infinite number of effects and you do have to change your angle every so often to stay fresh. This time it didn't work. |
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Nikodini Regular user 195 Posts |
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On 2009-09-29 14:15, kinesis wrote: Sorry, didn't see this comment until now. After reading your other posts, I withdraw my comment. I see what you meant. Sorry. |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
Accepted, No problem. Thanks Nikodini
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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Back to Derren. On a personal level, I haven't enjoyed the series. His explanations have been very poor. Many members of the public have shared their disappointment with me. I appreciate you can't do an infinite number of effects and you do have to change your angle every so often to stay fresh. This time it didn't work. They didn't work because basically he's finished. He might be in the public eye for a while longer. Might even sell tickets for a while. But he's finished as far as credibility and his initial impact had. He won't get it back. The only way to stay fresh is to limit your exposure. He has opted to keep going to milk everything he can out of his fame before it fades. And in the process he has ruined his past achievements. He is quickly becoming a has been. I believe this latest series was an attempt to get as much media attention as possible even if it hurt his credibility more. To me it feels like he knows his time at the top is limited and hes trying fill his piggy bank as fast as possible. Sometimes its best to get out with dignity while you are at the top. Derren is a bit like your favourite boxer who keeps fighting to long. And as a result gets hammered in the process. Only you don't feel sorry have much compassion because he takes mentalism down with him and his current personality isn't very attractive. He is definitely hurting himself by continuing. It's time to give it a rest. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-10-04 15:27, kinesis wrote: Your post just shows your lack of research and half baked thinking. (Lazy I guess) My challenge was concerning a Paranormal Event (Totally allowed in the challenge protocols) A simple EVP recording (they happen all the time on the various Ghosthunting TV shows) Kenessis ... perhaps you should do some research before spouting off in ignorance! My application was reported on THIS SITE (The Magic Café) to assure that there was no hiding the fact that I've had an interest in mentalism. A photo of me sending in the application was also posted on Jim Callahans site (The JREF refused to acknowledge the fact that I'd applied for over a month!!!) The video was just a conformation of randi's denial. Now back to Derren Brown !!!!!!
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stashu Regular user 155 Posts |
Hey Psychic Samurai! Your a good guy, and, I believe you do have some degree of paranormal ability! Keep up the good work!
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Thanks for clearing that up! So, you just believe that EVP is real and want it tested? If so, that's cool with me. Strange that they wouldn't test you. Maybe you should go to the JREF with cameras and document your application in person, document the entire process. Make them have to tell you no to your face.
Actually, I think you really should and hope that maybe you'll consider that. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-10-04 20:22, stashu wrote: Thanks .... I've made some good predictions but that isn't what my protocol was for the JREF MDC. It was a simple demonstration of EVP. Happens all the time I was trying to find out how much peoples opinion of Derren Brown has changed because of the new TV show. Good... Bad ... Indifferent ?????? Were there any numerical records made of the viewer numbers and where could I find them? Thanks Dave
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-10-04 23:16, Jonathan wrote: You are 100% correct! (The entire process WAS documented and the JREF refuses to release their emails as requested) But back to Derren Brown .... Did he come out of this better or worse ?
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
WORSE!
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
Sadly, yes, worse for this particular series.
But every talented and creative person who tries to realise their ideas has some successes, some that don't quite fire, however strong they may have seemed when they were being sketched out or in production. Every novelist, painter, architect, songwriter, etc will have some works that are more successful in critical and/or popular terms than others. The good ones accept that as part of the price, learn from what worked and what didn't, and bring that experience to their next work. One series being less good doesn't necessarily mean that the next one won't be excellent. |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
If you used a camera to document you turning the application in person then they would not be able to refuse and they wouldn't have to release anything. We would see you handing them the application and would see their response. We would see the date they set up for you and then you could have cameras following you on that date to the appointment. If they cancel, call them and confirm that they are canceling it so you can record the phone call.
Not that I 100% think you are lying or anything, but I'll reserve my judgment one way or the other until something like that is done. I hope you'll do it because if it's true I want to see it! All you'd have to do is post the videos and no would could disagree and would convince everyone of the truth! Case closed, problem solved. As to your question: worse! |
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Caliban Special user 727 Posts |
I don't know about better or worse - but he certainly comes out of it more famous. I thought there were two really excellent shows and two much weaker shows. Unforunately, the weaker shows were the opener and the closer - which are the two that really needed to be the strongest.
The lottery show was seriously misjudged. Unless, of course, the plan was to sacrifice the camera trick method so that it would be exposed everywhere and go viral - making him the most talked about magician in the world. On that level it worked brilliantly. After all, it wouldn't have got anywhere near as much publicity if it had been a proper method that actually fooled everyone. The final show had an interesting plot but there was just no conviction that any of it was genuine. The whole thing falls apart if the audience aren't convinced that he placed a real bet in a real casino - and there was not the slightest reason to believe that. With a staged fake casino it just becomes a cheaply made TV drama - not a mentalism performance. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-10-05 05:38, Jonathan wrote: Do you walk around your entire life with a camera running? Taping every phone call and mailed letter? If the Café booted you off and removed your posts could you prove you were here? Obviously you didn't watch the video provided which PROVES I applied. They even knew I was on my honeymoon at the time of the convention. But randi lied about it even after he was told at Dragoncon by his staff in front of 800 people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0. Now back to Derren Brown. Walt Disney said it is good to have a failure early in your career. Is this too late or still early enough?
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I think its the end of his career personally. If he continues with tv specials it will still be the end of the Derren that made great tv mentalism nearly 10 years ago. I think hes been getting worse over a period of time.
I don't think anyone is at the top forever. No one wants to watcg a fake mind reader. Many newbies who tuned in to the lottery and the following will feel cheated and I doubt if they will tune in again. |
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