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This was such a terrible show, it deserves a thread of its own.

Did DB and team learn nothing from the lottery fiasco? How out of touch are they?

Given the current financial climate, how many of DB's audience would not notice £5000 disappearing from their bank account in the course of a week? How many would have £5000 saved in the first place? How many could walk into a bank and simply withdraw £5000 IN CASH in a matter of moments? "It could be you!". ******** could it! How many viewers have £5000 sitting in their bank account waiting to be withdrawn? Not many!

How many actually believe it's possible to manually calculate the trajectory of a moving ball against the movement of a roulette wheel (despite the traffic stunt convincer), let alone where it will land?

Now, the aerosol stunt was rather nice, especially the stencul kicker.

But how many people believe that really was live footage of a DB playing in a casino rather than a pre-recorded and heavily processed segment? The whole 'mystery location in Europe' thing was done before and exposed in his Russian Roulette stunt. So don't go there again. The actual casino looked like a studio set to me. Anyone agree? And since casinos are really alert to people concealing electronic equipment as described in the program, how come DB and his cameraman got in with no problems?

What a complete and utter misfire. And a very disappointing end to the series.

If and when DB returns to 4, he needs to do a HELL of a lot better than this!
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Any video of it yet?
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Best way to beat a casino is with a big stick.
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Slim, your taking the p*** aren't you???

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Some comments from a TV discussion forum demonstrate just how badly convceived this show was:

"£5,000 well I'm not going to get Derren's call."

"Yes, the biggest miracle would be if he found £5000 in my account!"

"So a person with a spare unnoticed 5 grand is spending Friday night at home watching TV. The lives of the jet set."

"The most obvious fake thing was when Derren phoned Ben and at the end of the conversation Derren said “Can you see yourself on the telly” and the guy said "yes" in a surprised voice when he had been standing watching it during the whole conversation.2

"The first number not answering is a nice bit of misdirection."

"How did they know he had £5k+ in his bank account? DO banks just hand over £5k in cash, no questions asked, without demanding notice or other forms of ID?"

"Tiny camera? It's massive!!"

"So 'Ben' had £5,000 drawn from his bank account several days ago and he had no knowledge of it? Just as well he hasn't checked his balance or got a statement etc in the past few days then. A right crock of nonsense this is."

"Fake casino. Fake roulette wheel. Fake people."

"This is as ridiculous as the Lottery one.
He must think we are all idiots."

"Crap casino for 10PM/11PM CET - no ambience, hardly any people, etc..."

"That's got to be Europe's quietest Casino!!!"

"As if you can just randomly walk up to a table and lay down £5k straight away."

"Can someone please explain what the hell that was supposed to be. 1 hr leading up to an epic fail? What was the point."

That was weak. Ignoring the fact that wasn't a casino at all, because that's a given.. it even looks exactly the same as the one they were in with the guy from Real Hustle (who, for a con-artist, is a suprisingly bad actor)... Derren's patter was sub par. You can't carry a super computer (for that is what you would need) in your shorts, but a camera which is broadcasting is fine? The casino can detect one but not the other? Plus what's the deal with the massive "hidden" (sticking out his sleeve) analogue camera and crappy reception? What is this 1997? He could have broadcast from an cheap phone camera that had been pulled to pieces so the camera was stuck behind a button, the casino would have been none the wiser and it would have been better quality.

"The bit that takes the cake is the squash court numbers. Seriously Derren? You expect a human being to believe you calculated a (biblical scale) equation in your head so accurately that you were able to allow for the millimetre of clearance that ball got as it bounced over the divider between 38 and 37? "Now I'm going to hit the number on this pad, with a pen, behind your back. The camera will be showing both things at once so they clearly happened at the same time!" I'm sure even a small child would have immediately said.. why don't you just shout out the number Derren? How does he find the people to take part in this show? That's his true gift. If indeed he doesn't just do it with stooges nowadays."

And for certain posters in another thread ...

"Oh and any time the people from event 1 discussions want to come on board and show how he wrapped up that heap of garbage tonight and how it was all part of a master plan...feel free"
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I couldn't possibly agree more!

I was NOT entertained, in fact it made me alittle angry, and that's not just because I may have anger management issues, because, I used to really like this guy, now I don't.

forget about him outright making fun of the remote viewing guy, poor guy, I could have cried for him, you know, no one likes a bully, and you cant win friends or influence people by calling them stupid, either outright, or implied, I thought mind controlers knew that, poor rv guy Smile

Forget about his approach to everything, when fake psychics do this, when fake psychics do that, I mean, give it a break already, I don't have presentations like when a mentalist does this or a mentalist does that, or when a magician does this or when a magician does that, but forget my issue with his patter.

The issue I have, is this last episode, which, really got my blood boiling, this guy is really playing us all for big time suckers, give me an entertaining lie, don't play me for a sucker!

Theres a difference between feeling entertained, and feeling played, played for a sucker, and boy this guy must really think people are stupid, and that's for sure!
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I guess it's a good thing Kanye didn't show up...

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Is this affecting the sale price of his previously written material? Is there any video yet? Was there someone on the grassy knoll? Smile

I held off an commenting about the Grand Wrap Up that so many predicted would come.... I guess it didn't then?

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On 2009-10-02 21:19, kambiz wrote:
Slim, your taking the p*** aren't you???

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The bottle calls it a warning but it sounds more like a suggestion to me Smile
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Sadly, it wasn't his best series, a curate's egg that was good in parts, but some of the the big set pieces misfired for me. That's not to say that the good parts weren't very good, but if it was intentionally edgy to end the series on a near miss, the (non-magic / mentalistic) friends I watched it with took it as just being a miss, and were left feeling flat and saying the series didn't grab them. And if it was a truly unstaged ending, it was surely too big a risk to end the series on. I was waiting for the twist at the end. (Actually, I still am, I'm half expecting channel 4 to come up with something stunning today to reverse the impression the show left.)

Who am I to criticise Derren Brown though? From a choice of material and performance point of view, I know my opinions have nothing to offer or teach him. But as a viewer, as one of the target audience, I was disappointed, and I know I'm not the only one.

It's great to push the boundaries of what you do, and goodness knows Derren Brown has done that and with great success over his career, but there is a risk of falling short sometimes when you do, and that's what this series did in my opinion. It must be hard to go from a spiky half hour of alternative entertainment to a prime time one hour show, where the demands to astonish are that much greater. He is one of the greats, but not even the best can succeed every time they try.
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Lets not forget, he doesn't make shows for us...he makes shows that are entertaining to the public...a few interesting quotes from people on non-magic forums:

"Am v confused . . . yes being 1 out is pretty amazing, but Derren is a tricksy wizard and never fails at anything.
Looking forward to Enigma in April though!!"

"Wow Derren, I still believe that his was planned from the beginning because I have faith that you could actually deliver this if you really wanted to. What a spectacular way to end the series! Still in confused/shocked/disbelief mode, Awesome!"

"One off!!! It was so painful! You sounded quite upset Derren! Don’t get down about it though, it’s still an achievement to get sooooo close in something so randomized!

That guys face at the end was an absolute picture though, it has to be said!"
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Yes is was all more than a little embarrassing. I don't know how much longer the DB team can sit back and say: "Ah but what the critics don't understand is that the vast majority of the public are stupid."
I agree with NEARLY all of the above opinions. The very best magicians and mentalsts are very aware of the word PLAUSIBILITY. If a thing isn't at least plausible then you should never go there(other than a purely commercial magic show).
Actually there's no doubt in my mind that the mark 'may have been' genuine. That he was well sourced and that he truly did take out the £5k and hand it over and: "NOT be worried in any way shape or form when you see that it's missing from your statement, should it arrive at any time during the next few days".
But yes it was all too obvious that the casino did not exist, what with the permitted use of hanging camera from the ceiling whist at the same time DB wearing a covert camera. Now that wasn't their best idea huh?
And pray tell me which members of the watching British public would not be able to fathom out (or hear it from their friends)that he misses by one to make it look really really really really close, thus justifying the commissioning of the show, but coincidentally NOT falling in the slot which of course would increase that commissioning budget by £175,000.
But as muse said: who are we to give advice? Perhaps the people who should be on DB's advisory team, that's who!
Although changing the hair colour to light gingery brown and painting over the bald patch was their best idea of the show.
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And why was a casino in mainland Europe using pounds as its currency?

Derren supposedly had £5000 sterling - and he used it to buy ten chips, each with a value of 500 of whatever currency the casino uses.
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<<quotes from people on non-magic forums>>

Let's be straight here, these are from the Derren Brown luvvies (his stalkers) forum. The reactions from non-magicians are more like this, just in:
"I don't know why I even wasted my time watching him last night. The 'listening to car speed' was so far fetched there surely can not be anyone over the age of six who thinks he did anything of the sort. Squash ball prediction - showing slo-mo did him no favours - showed ball bouncing off non visible channels. Casino pish - just pish! PJ

And I'm afraid THAT is the general reaction in non-magic land. What WERE the crew thinking when they came up with this? Either: Derren and Co went for the big, flash, magic trick dressed up as something else - and failed. Or they really think that the viewing audience are idiots. Paul Daniels reportedly suggested Derren get one wrong on the lottery prediction - that might have made it stronger. It certainly did NOT make the casino outcome stronger.

It was amateurish beyond belief.

Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE fan of Derren's work. I feel terrible posting a negative post. Indeed, I know that much of my income comes from the fact that in describing what I do, my manager will often have to resort to comparing it with Derren's act. That usually clinches the deal...

It's the old trap again, isn't it? MInd Magic doesn't work. It's either MIND or MAGIC but a hybrid simply does not work.

I DO hope the Objective team have got that straight now - and get back to what they do best. It's what fascinates, and - more importantly - it's what the audiences want. Let's all learn from it.

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Why are people all of a sudden mad at Derren Brwon for giving fake explanation when it has been his shtick since day one?

If you think he is insulting your intelligent now, well then he has been doing it since DAY ONE.
Sounds like another case where an entertainer reaches his peak and people wants to bring him down ... the same people that brought him up in the first place.
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Also, what about the £20 note trick and the girl he kept calling a loser?

It's one thing to show some "remote viewing" numpty as deluded but this just seemed mean.
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Oh, yeah, and another thing. I see he is plugging this Science of Scams to educate the world about the faslehood of the psychic. PLEASE tell me he's not going to turn into another Ranting Randi. That would just be too much.
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Very implausible explanation, absolutely!!! but entertaining? For me, yes. I enjoyed it as did my friends watching it with me. I actually felt the ending was right on the mark. My only criticism is that almost ALL of his "live audience" segments in the series have been achieved with P**S*** H*******. I want to see more effects performed to people he really HAS just genuinelly met, but I guess the effect will always be less clean, so I do see his reasoning for it.

I enjoyed the series though, but nothing comes close to his live shows.

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His live shows are brilliant, and much of his telly stuff is brilliant. But last night fell short of the mark for me. The ending, while it saved him money, was a sour note. The time for getting close but wrong was the lottery prediction, not here. Also, his treatment of the woman he kept calling a loser was appalling. A low point in his career.
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On 2009-10-03 06:59, JonWhite wrote:
Also, what about the £20 note trick and the girl he kept calling a loser?

It's one thing to show some "remote viewing" numpty as deluded but this just seemed mean.


Overall I enjoyed the show, but this was the one thing I didn't like.

After referring to her as a loser several times, I assumed the effect would go along the lines of Derren transferring the male participant's confidence and luck into the girl, and she ends up winning the game continuously.

But he left her with nothing, other than being called a loser. I didn't get that at all, it seemed very out of character.
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I wonder if he's trying to put people off him in some way? no idea why...but, perhaps he's going to come back with something darker and more edgy? I wonder if he's now aiming at a different audience?
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