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Must just be me. I loved it. How could anyone here not enjoy that nod to mentalists at the end. Brilliant finish to a great series.

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I haven't even watched it yet & I loved it...if it makes you guys mad...that makes me happy...whiners.

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On 2009-10-03 10:59, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
Must just be me. I loved it. How could anyone here not enjoy that nod to mentalists at the end. Brilliant finish to a great series.

Anthony


"One off" - had me in stitches!!! Wonder if the Knepper has seen this?

Loved Roni's Graffiti effect!

I did think though that the £20 showed a side of him that I'd rather he not put on stage. I did think the woman would win as he seemed to be so much of a gent in the past. Not any more in my opinion though. Calling her a loser so many times quite frankly stank and that's not just my opinion, it's quite a few non-magi friends opinions too.

I too agree with the preshow hy***sis - far too much in my opinion.

It didn't take a genius friend of mine to work out that there must have been someone else under the bridge with a speedcamera and some sort of electronic signalling to do this stunt.

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On 2009-10-03 08:54, IAIN wrote:
I wonder if he's trying to put people off him in some way? no idea why...but, perhaps he's going to come back with something darker and more edgy? I wonder if he's now aiming at a different audience?


I think you are right. He is aiming at a wider audience. I think its the only way he can survive and increase the lenght of time he has on TV. Market changes it goes through different levels of sophistication. It does look like he is attepmting to prolong his TV career at any cost.

I have no idea if its working or not. Time will tell. But everybody's career ends some time apart from Kreskin it seems.
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Though, saying all that - the BBC offered him a massive deal a couple of years back...prime time tv show on a saturday too...if he wanted it, he could have...

I think somethings afoot though...maybe he's getting sick of people on forums constantly discussing him and his methods?
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On 2009-10-03 13:18, IAIN wrote:
I think somethings afoot though...maybe he's getting sick of people on forums constantly discussing him and his methods?


Doing the things that he does, it's ALWAYS going to get people discussing how he might or might not have done it. He can't really take the huff over it.

And I doubt he cares about what goes on on magic forums. It's a miniscule section of his audience. People discussing it here and other places won't have any effect on his ticket sales or future viewing figures.

I had a look at a few forums this morning to see what was being said, and it's only a handful of people talking about it, sometimes the same people!

I sometimes think magicians over-estimate the public's interest in what they do.
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Am I crazy, or does this bother anyone other than me?"

First off, just let me say, I just care about people too much to make them feel stupid or belittle anyones beliefs, and Derren always does both.

Yes, I know I'm a nobody entertainer, I'm just an normal ordinary guy who likes being mystified, and as an normal ordinary guy, I am telling you I don't like the way he chooses to entertain, a) I'm not mystified, b) I'm played for an idiot c) my beliefs are belittled.


Please, for those who don't understand what I mean, let me give you an example.

FOR EXAMPLE,

Independent online studies suggest only 8% of people were actually stuck to thier seats, Derrens HYPNOSIS wasnt that successful, where as WELL KNOWN "PSYCHICS" have thought projected esp symbols, and even less predictable objects with success rates reaching anywhere from 25% to 43% in some cases.

Now, WHY don't YOU SEE PSYCHIC ENTERTAINERS USING PATTER LIKE DERREN USES, replace hypnosis with the word psychic and you have a lead in to many demonstrations that he does

FOR EXAMPLE

"I don't believe hypnosis exists, (kreskin argued this in court by the way), Its never been proven scientifically, these hynotists, or dirtbags, or lyers, or cheats, etc, etc, are all using techniques I use, the only difference is I am better than all hypnotists and mind controllers even though I use the same TRICKS they use, let me show you how they do it!"

On Richard and Judy, Whenever you see a psychic do this....(map test)
Whenever you see a psychic attempt this, from the gathering

How about a demonstration where I start off by saying all hypnotists/mindcontrollers are dirtbags who manipulate and take advantage of people in desperate situations, in times of sadness, in times of loss, and take there money, etc etc,

its just sooooo annoying but whatever,


I just care about people, I'd rather see a demonstration of what anyone can do when they put thier mind to it, some people accept they have untapped powers, some people don't, and I respect both! None is any better than the other!

I don't manipulate people with psychology, suggestion, misdirection, or showmanship, because I wouldnt want to be manipulated or made a fool of,
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On 2009-10-03 14:48, blackESP wrote:

I doubt he cares about what goes on on magic forums. It's a miniscule section of his audience. People discussing it here and other places won't have any effect on his ticket sales or future viewing figures.
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First of all he does care and quite a lot. And he does NOT look upon us as a section of his actual audience but rather completely understands we are members of his peer group. Where else would his peer group materialise from, plumbers?
His ticket sales in the near future are guaranteed, but what his peer group think of him is not, and that's important to him.

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I sometimes think magicians over-estimate the public's interest in what they do.

We've always known that. Just as that we totally appreciate our delusions of granduer.

As I've already stated, I am very much aware that the members of Objective, including DB, regularly enter The Café to find out what we think of their work. If you look at all the above opinions you'll see that the 'working mentalists' truly know just how good this was. And, (remember this is just between us so no harm done) it wasn't complete sh-te but it wasn't too clever either. Quite a bit of money spent but the thinking behind it was a bit amateurish. Sorry but I know you want the truth and not the words of excited followers. Try to do better and we'll love you again.
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On 2009-10-03 16:26, bobser wrote:

First of all he does care and quite a lot. And he does NOT look upon us as a section of his actual audience but rather completely understands we are members of his peer group. Where else would his peer group materialise from, plumbers?
His ticket sales in the near future are guaranteed, but what his peer group think of him is not, and that's important to him.


Well,that might be (though I certainly don't consider myself a peer of DB, I'm a proud hobbyist/amateur) but I was responding to Iain, who implied The Events turned out like they did because Derren might be sick of people discussing his methods.

Whether you want to call those people his fans or peers, it's still a tiny, tiny amount of those watching. He might care about what people on these forums say, but can you honestly see him turning out a quite frankly weird (and not it a good way) series like the Events to impress/p*ss off/whatever these few people at the expense of entertaining the millions who just want to watch a TV show?
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Sorry blackESP but I don't quite understand what you're saying.
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I didn't think the last show was bad at all...I expected a bigger finale tho..something to sum all the episodes up.that was kind of disappointing

but overall the whole series was a lot of fun to watch...I didn't care too much for the "big stunt" of each episode.I had a lot more fun with the little effects during each episode,most of them were absolutely baffling

p.s whats up with that? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ipt9bl&s=4

lol,derren sure is myterious
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On 2009-10-03 07:00, Drewmcadam wrote:
Oh, yeah, and another thing. I see he is plugging this Science of Scams to educate the world about the faslehood of the psychic. PLEASE tell me he's not going to turn into another Ranting Randi. That would just be too much.

Drew,

Interesting thought... I confess that I've had once or twice the same thought about Derren's next steps.

We will see...
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On 2009-10-02 20:55, Psychic Samurai wrote:
Any video of it yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU6zQza52RU&feature=channel
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My opinion :and this has nothing to do with mr.Brown

the idea of taking money to bet from accounts is bad taste: of course that was fake too

the setup and theme of the show: highly unreal

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To those saying that the time to get one wrong was during the lottery seem not to understand how promotion works.

In short, you want to knock their socks off, then leave them wanting. That's exactly what Derren did across this four-episode arc.

They say that the best advertisements are the ones that create a deficit in a person subconsciously. What could be a bigger deficit than having no satisfaction after it's been promised to them (I had that through my teenage years. Believe me, it's no fun. Smile)?

Don't take my word for it, just look around the web, where Derren's name is only just a click away. The next time he has a special, he'll have people asking themselves how he can redeem himself. Accordingly, they'll tune it, and just as accordingly, Derren will blow them away all over again.

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The miss only adds to realism.
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Oh dear, what room am I in? I thouight the kids had to be in bed by nine!
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On 2009-10-03 10:59, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
Must just be me. I loved it. How could anyone here not enjoy that nod to mentalists at the end. Brilliant finish to a great series.

Anthony


completely agree... the whole series has been full of 'nods' and in jokes... the number 30 came up a few times in the last show.. including the big red 30 on the side of the van..

from a publicity point of view... he's done exactly what he needed.. Smile from an entertainment point of view.. it was good telly.. everything was done for a reason... failure of not Smile
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Did anyone come out with viewership numbers?
It would be interesting to see how the people responded thru the series.
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