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TonyB2009
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I know some of our English colleagues will have all sorts of legalistic and ethical issues with this idea, but a magician approached me today and asked me would it be possible to include a brief bit of hypnosis in his kids party show.

To be honest I had never considered hypnotising kids, but I found the idea intrigueing. The youngest I have hypnotised was a group of 12 year olds at a convent. They had voted on what sort of entertainment they wanted for their end of year party, and the nuns had respected their decision. Obviously they got a completely different sort of show from my regular one.

Has anyone here any experience with hypnotising children? Not that I am planning on bringing hypnosis into the birthday party market, but I am curious. Tony.
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Here in the U.S., it's not a good idea to hypnotize minors without a parent's consent. When doing hypnotherapy with children, even with consent, it's a good idea to either have a parent with the child of leave a door open so the parent can hear exactly what's going on.

For really young children, the difficulty is with establishing what state the child is in. Normally, young children are constantly in one trance state or another. The key to hypnotizing them is to catch them moving from one state to another and bring them to the state you want. This is going to be difficult for a group of kids.

So I would respectfully suggest that instead of doing a "brief bit of hypnosis," your friends should probably just do a pseudo-hypnosis stunt. Remember, too, that one of the challenges of kid shows is that they often think that what you're doing is real and nothing special. Make a kid forget a number? That's not special. It happens all the time.
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Many years ago I was invited into a school to talk about hypnosis as my niece had told her teacher what I did.

I did a few mentalism stunts then finished by sticking their hands. While walking through the school to get to the classroom I was watched by a number of teachers my every move. They didn't know why I was there.

My personal feeling is children and hypnosis do not mix. Even the word hypnosis conjures up all kinds of fears a preconcieved ideas from the general public.

I would keep well away from it just think its too risky a thing to do. Not because of the hypnosis but the political correctness and obsession with over protection of children.
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I always used hypnosis in kids shows. It was pseudo of course and the teachers joined in as I winked to them how it was all good fun. Which it was.
THEY have the collective hypnotic ability to bend the spoon in mid air.
THEY can send hypnotic power to HER as she bends the coin in her hand.
Did any children ever slip into light trance? Silly question on a hypnosis forum so lets not ask it!
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I did it once with a kid that saw me doing some magic. He was very impressed with me, then a was with a group of people an he inssisted to hypnotised, so I did. I was shocked how fast he went into trance, I did not have to even make a "consentration test" on ly the induction. I think that is so because kids usually live in hypnotic trances. I did hands stuck on his head and a kitten with him. I was a bit nervous to be hypnotising a child so a drop it. Is there any real danger hypnotising a kind, not legal but fisical or mental?
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Go on this website and it will teach you how to hypnotize people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI7lEfWqPkE
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That's the scarey thing about the internet the above two posts.
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There is real danger in hypnotizing children and in hypnotizing adults. The subconscious mind can except reality or fantasy and you can activate Phobias, Panic attacks, Anger, Depression, and you can also create extreme negative emotions, and hallucinations and illusions. Hypnosis should not be conducted and played around with by untrained hypnotists. I have seen some horrible things happen to people under the influence of an untrained unethical jerk and he called himself a stage hypnotist. Stage hypnosis conducted by ethical trained hypnotherapists can be fun, entertaining and educational.
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Tom so you have met a few of the regular posters on here?
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On 2009-10-25 14:25, TomSilver wrote:
There is real danger in hypnotizing children and in hypnotizing adults. The subconscious mind can except reality or fantasy and you can activate Phobias, Panic attacks, Anger, Depression, and you can also create extreme negative emotions, and hallucinations and illusions. Hypnosis should not be conducted and played around with by untrained hypnotists. I have seen some horrible things happen to people under the influence of an untrained unethical jerk and he called himself a stage hypnotist. Stage hypnosis conducted by ethical trained hypnotherapists can be fun, entertaining and educational.
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I discussed this with Anthony Jacquin after seeing his "Manchurian Approach DVD". He avoids hypnotising kids. I think it's a viable idea, but only if the kid is enthusiastic about the idea and if you're reasonably sure the parent is okay with it as well.

Of course, triggering unwanted suggestions is a possibility but the key according to both Anthony and a Dutch hypnotherapist I spoke to, is to stay calm and suggest it away before bringing them out. If you panic and bring them out immediately, the negative experience will stick -- which would be bad. The hypnotherapist even mentioned one instance when he was called on stage by a panicking stage hypnotist who couldn't get his subject out of the trance.

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I think you really miss the point of Tom's post. It equally applies to adults if you READ it.


>>>He avoids hypnotising kids. I think it's a viable idea, but only if the kid is enthusiastic about the idea <<<<

Are you on drugs?

This is what really scares me about this easily accessible hypnosis "training". It attracts numbskulls.
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On 2009-10-27 09:44, mindpunisher wrote:
I think you really miss the point of Tom's post. It equally applies to adults if you READ it.


>>>He avoids hypnotising kids. I think it's a viable idea, but only if the kid is enthusiastic about the idea <<<<

Are you on drugs?

This is what really scares me about this easily accessible hypnosis "training". It attracts numbskulls.


And even though you keep talking about numbskulls. Your name on the forum is mindpunisher? Doesn't seem like the overcareful hypnotist.
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I keep talking about the numbskulls on here. The forum should change its name to "How to become a professional hypnotist after reading half a book - be the envy of your friends and give advice".

If you can't see the truth in my posts then you are one of them.
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I did my first show after reading the opening chapters of the condensed version of Ormond McGill's encyclopedia. Half a book worked out fine for me.
Of course I finished the book after the show. In fact I've read a few since then. But half a book did the trick. Tony.
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Exactly my point.
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As a tyro I can not comment from direct experience of hypnotism however I do work in therapeutic situations with children and one which of course requires the written consent of their parents or guardians. My training and experience in this field compels me to flag a few warnings so you can make an informed decision.

Personally I think any playful interaction with a child's psychology, psyche or emotional state should be undertaken with extreme caution. You would not even have to do harm (however accidental )to expose yourself to criticism and litigation. Imagine the scenario mentioned above of "forgetting a number" OK probably not a line you would go down anyway but what happens if the child's grades drop the next year. Often parents will seek any explanation other than the one thatmight be real i.e little jimmy is just not as bright as they would have hoped. You could become the focus of a mighty wrath.

Equally and perhaps this is more true of adolescents, these young people are often clever or perhaps crafty in ways we have since forgotten. It is not beyond the wit of most to contemplate how a grumpy teenager might use a hypnotic experience to justify a change in behavior which suited him/her but infuriated the family. I have seen all this happen from other types of intervention but at least in a clinical setting the safety measures and validated research is there to protect the practitioner.

My apologies if this mini essay is too far off the subject.
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Those are very relevant concerns, Beverage. Thanks for pointing them out.
I feel uncomfortable doing a proper hypnotic routine on kids, but how do people feel about a pseudo hypnosis routine, like the old Dr Q routine?
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OK.. I'm not going to get into this whole "untrained hypnotist" thing. Although I totally agree with MindPunisher's comments in this thread, it has to be said.

I personally have had plenty of training hands-on with 2 of the busiest working hypnotists in the UK and also seen most of the training DVD's out on the market at some point but... and I don't think that it's a good idea for anyone to go out there after reading a book or a DVD and start using this stuff but...

REALISTICALLY - what can we say is considered an acceptable level of training or knowledge to make somebody safe? The truth is that with no recognisable qualifications or courses we can't really set one.

Plus with everyone in the world having their own personal opinions (which they are entitled to) it would be impossible to set any one tutor's teaching to be a benchmark.

ALSO the truth is, in this game, you NEVER stop learning. This is my 7th year performing my comedy hypnosis show FULL-TIME (I started aged 16) and I know that I learn something new from pretty much every show I do. And I've done over 1,000 of them now (thanks to my summer seasons abroad).

I've spoken to professionals who have been performing a lot longer than I, plus people I regard to be friends (Richard Nongard, the dreaded JR, Adam Night etc etc) and they also agree that they stand in the same position.

With that I don't want to undermine the comments regarding untrained hypnotists going out there BUT I think it's important to remember that you CAN'T ever know everything that there is to know.

Just my thoughts.. feel free to disagree.

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>>>Personally I think any playful interaction with a child's psychology, psyche or emotional state should be undertaken with extreme caution. You would not even have to do harm (however accidental )to expose yourself to criticism and litigation.<<<

I don't think it should be undertaken at all. Why? Isn't there enough adults in the world to take part in your shows? Let coco the clown keep them happy.

To me and most lay people it comes across as a bit desparate, irresponsable and has over tones of Pediaphlia. I know this sounds harsh but in an age when you can't photograph your own kids in at a school outing you are leaving yourself wide open for all kinds of stuff you don't want hanging over you.

To me there is something not quite right with someone who wants to hypnotize kids. And I'm telling you now that's the way it will be seen with the majority of the public at least here in the UK.

I don't know about you guys on here but unexpected things DO happen on stage and its not as safe as you all claim it to be. Why include kids? Just get clown outfit on and blow up a few balloons and leave hypnosis out of it.

Before we know it we will have street hypnotists that specialise in hanging around school play grounds waiting to "hypno-attack" teenage girls. This forum attracts some strange dudes and is a bit worrying at times. Its too much for a sensible and sensitive guy like me.
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TonyB2009,
What is the Dr. Q routine? Can you provide a brief description.
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