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Tony B.

What a great idea.

In re-reading that in The Mental Mysteries by William Larsen, Sr. it sounds like there is some great potential...only fear would be loosing control and the kids really ham-ing it up, but then again that might be fun. Maybe with the right age there is some great routine ideas with this.

Thanks for the thought!

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On 2009-11-14 20:13, hbwolkov wrote:
TonyB2009,
What is the Dr. Q routine? Can you provide a brief description.

The Dr Q routine is an old effect, described in detail in Ormond McGill's Hypnotism encyclopedia, and also released as a stand-alone item.
Basically a number of people are brought up from the audience and put on chairs, and the performer announces that he is going to hypnotise them. He then goes from person to person, supposedly hypnotising them, but in reality recruiting them to play along for a bit of fun.
The volunteers then ham it up for ten or fifteen minutes of fun, getting stuck to furniture, jumping from chairs, etc.
That doesn't sound like a great routine when you write it like that, but I have tried it on a number of occasions, and the results are always great. It is something worth studying for those occasions on which you do not have the time for a proper hypnosis set. For instance I have thrown in ten minutes of it to end an hour long mentalism routine.
The best resources to read up on it are The Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism, Eddie Burke's People Sticker Routine, and Ricky Dunne's Zapped, all variations on the same idea.
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I hypnotize the audience in every kidshow I do. I am not joking. I don't call it hypnosis, but I do a quick induction at the beginning with a hot book and give the children suggestions on how to behave that will make the show more fun.

And I have a bit in my sponge ball routine where I pretend to hypnotize the child. If it looks like the kid is actually going into trance, I have on occasion had some fun with name and number amnesia.

As for the performance of stage hypnosis shows for children, here in the States, it is quite common for
high schools to book a stage hypnotist and a friend of mine does quite a few middle schools.

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I do not have my copy of the New Encylopedia of Stage Hypnosis by McGill, but I recall a picture of him standing behind two children obviously in a stage setting with them slumped over in hypnosis, (which Mark says does not exist anyhow) so it is unclear I guess.

I think it is page 244 I am not sure.

I also think that he wrote "children make EXCELLENT hypnotic subjects" (emphasis mine) but to do so you must place the suggestions on their level.

The discouragment of it from him arises from the show not seeming as "important" and that adults may not be as willing to act out if kids are there with them. He in no way said it was anything about it being a disgrace or anything of the sort.

The world changes. What was once unheard of is now ok. It is a brave new world. You should embrace it. As I said inviting children to the stage is not something to encourage, but ignoring them in the audience is ignorant.
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>>>The world changes. What was once unheard of is now ok. It is a brave new world . You should embrace it. As I said inviting children to the stage is not something to encourage, but ignoring them in the audience is ignorant.<<<


I would say with children at least here in the UK what was once ok is now unheard of. There is so much fear around even looking at a child in public that to hypnotize them would be crazy.

Political correctness has gone mad here.

The fear of being seen as a kiddie fiddler is eclipsed by the fear of being racist. My suspicion that the second issue is mass mind control and manipulation to allow the immigration of cheap labour. But that's another story..
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>>>>Second. Ormond Mc'Gill does indeed have a chapter in his book explaining how to hypnotise children. He says that an exception can be made to his reservations about the matter if the show is for children only. I do not agree with him here. I believe that are no circumstances whatsoever where children should be hypnotised for entertainment. Height of stupidity and I would have thought that was perfectly obvious.<<<

Doesn't he also describe using chloroform as a "challenge" hypnosis? And some other dubious and dangerous to knock someone unconscious? I can't remember exactly but it was to do with restricting blood to the brain or something?

They would work well with kids though...
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Try telling a kid not to jump into a puddle!
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Hey mindpunisher: don't jump into a puddle!

LOL! Smile


[You left yourself open for that. It was toooooo easy.]
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Nothing wrong with being a kid at heart just make sure you have your wellies.
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Political correctness has gone mad. A friend of mine could double as Santa Claus. He has the beard, the twinkley eyes, the whole effect. And he loves kids. For years kids would accost him around Christmas and he would spin marvelous tales about being Santa's younger brother.

Not any more. Mothers shoo him away when kids approach him. Sad for him, sad for the kids who now miss his wonderful stories, and sad for society.

I don't want to hypnotise children. I never allow them to volunteer for my shows, no matter how enthusiastic, because apart from other concerns it will change the dynamic on the stage and affect my adult volunteers. But I would love to do a pseudo hypnosis routine for kids. What's holding me back is how the parents would react.
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In general the problem is solved simply by the venues in which many hypnotists work. I obviously never ran into the problem in comedy clubs. But on occasion in resort work with families, or doing fund raising work for high schools and public shows you can run into the kids who will do it in the audience. This MUST be addressed, for a few reasons.

First of all simply a matter of courtesy.It would be terrible to just ignore them. The audience does not know what hypnosis really is (or is not) and we are teaching them, so to just ignore the kid seems a bit scary to them. You absolutely must deal with them in some fashion.

Secondly if you do not deal with them much of your audience will be watching them instead of whatching what is on stage. This shift in focus is not a good thing either.

So I do not encourage children to come to the stage, but certainly you must know how to deal with them when the circumstance arises.
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I generally don't have the problem, because of the events and venues that I work. If there are kids in the audience, I don't take the booking. As you may know my show is "less-than-clean".

BUT, I would never put myself in a position of that much risk, particularly in this day and age.

Apart from anything, in the UK it is (technically speaking) illegal to hypnotize anyone under the age of 18 on-stage under the 1952 Stage Hypnotism Act. Someone was telling me that it is OK if they have parental consent... but I personally still wouldn't.

I agree with MP. It just seems... erm... odd that anyone would want to.
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It won't arise Danny if you tell them upfront that on no circumstances should children volunteer to come on stage. I don't understand why you have a problem. Plus you are there to do a show not teach. If you want to teach run a course.
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You can tell the kids that they can't volunteer. we all know that. But you still have to take into account the fact they are in the audience. You might have to modify your presentation somewhat, and include stuff that they will respond to. Why alienate a part of your audience just because they shouldn't be there. If they are there, you have to deal with it.
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That's right they are in the audience that's where they should stay. you then do a family show. If you want to use them, use them without hypnotising them. For example have a hypnotised adult not being able to lift a fake bar bell but the youngster does it no bother. have an imaginary piece of string attached to the adults nose and then give the other end to the kid who can then lead the adult around the stage.

You can use children you don't have to hypnotise them.
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Ok MP your comprehension skills are a bit off. Let me try typing slower.

I DO NOT INVITE THEM TO THE STAGE FOR THE INDUCTION. Are we still together?

BUT you WILL AND DO get parents in the audience who encourage THEIR OWN KIDS to try it from the audience. They follow along REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU TELL THEM.

Ok are we still all following along? Now you have a child IN TRANCE IN THE AUDIENCE OUT OF YOUR DIRECT CONTROL. See where I am going MP? You MUST address such a situation for the SAKE OF SAFTEY. If the kid slumps over and into the aisle and hits his head or whatever you have major problems.

So what I am saying is bring them for one skit, MAYBE 2 like hot cold/good smell bad smell and then dismiss them with your praise and thanks.

What would you do when they are out in the audience MP? Ignore them like Mark? That seems an incredibly daft thing to do in my view for no other reasons than being safe. You are talking about stuff you never have dealt with obviously. But once they have involved themselvs, they must be dealt with. I deal with them for 5 minutes, send them to the seats and move along.

I work in an environment where kids are there. Heck mom and dad have paid huge money to be there. It is not the environment you seem to think it is.
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Ok I have never had that problem. And I can imagine the diplomacy needed in your market.

And also the US have different mindset and laws to the UK around hypnosis..
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Danny, MP doesn't do shows any more, so his comments are irrelevant.

I understand exactly what you're saying. What I've seen some hypnotists do (and I'm thinking of adding this), is after getting everyone on stage into trance, giving a very brief rah-rah speech to the audience (such as "Here they are! Please give a round of applause to the stars of the show."). At this time they do a fast count up to make sure everyone in the audience is alert and awake and ready to enjoy the show.

I haven't felt the need to do that, but I do scan the audience to make sure that nobody is in a deep trance. If they are, I either invite them on stage, emerge them, or have an assistant quietly emerge them while I continue with the show.
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On 2009-11-18 15:13, James Munton wrote:
I hypnotize the audience in every kidshow I do. I am not joking. I don't call it hypnosis, but I do a quick induction at the beginning with a hot book and give the children suggestions on how to behave that will make the show more fun.


Sorry if I'm being cheeky - but could you explain a bit more about this James - sounds like a good one to me.
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On 2009-11-22 02:06, dmkraig wrote:
Danny, MP doesn't do shows any more, so his comments are irrelevant.


Not sure I understand your logic dmkraig. Why does retiring from something mean that your cannot give others the benefit of your experience?

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