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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On 2009-11-18 17:59, mfeld wrote: but his/her tone and language is inappropriate for any post on any forum at any time! The only reason why people think they can be rude and abusive is because we allow it. If I were moderator here I would have cancelled his post immediately and asked him to resubmit his thoughts in a more appropriate manner. The "content" of the message does not forgive misconduct. He violated the guidelines of the Café' -- unless he behaves he should not be allowed to post. If someone thinks Vinnie is "put of order" they should report the post.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
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On 2009-11-16 13:43, GTRICH wrote: "woah, Justin, there's no need for language like that." Well, when responding to sarcasm and gutter language, one tends to speak in kind...
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feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
This thread has gone down more roads then a map.
Mean people SUCK!!!!!!!
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Yeah, it's a lot like life... Guys Gtrich is gone, he was a lurker that lit a fire and fled like a theif in the night. Whether he made a point or not is not even worth entertaining, especially when you know that Vinny's intent was not malicious. I have heard him many times speak highly of Claudia's work, and IMHO she is quite exceptional and could hold her own with most men as to chops and magic. I never thought of my effect being any better than Claudia's, that's one of the tributaries that sprung off the main road here and people ran with it.
Hey if you don't want guys that you probably wouldn't want to share a beer with arrogantly playing Perry Mason/Kramer here as to intent, what words mean, technically speaking, yada-yada-yada then just let it go. Gtrich or whoever he is is somewhere laughing his a** off as most arsonist do as the house burns down. Y'know arsonists many times stand amongst the crowd as the fire they set roars with no one the wiser...Hmmmmmmmmm. Good friend use'ta say, "Let's not major in minor things."
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
"then just let it go."...
I agree with a lot of what you say here, Mb, but this doesn't qualify. "Just let it go" is, in my opinion, one of the reasons we have become a second-rate country. What the hell happened to "don't tread on me"?
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Yeah I hear ya mandarin but I said a lot of things (like let's not major in minor things as well) in there that basically mean "Let's keep moving, let's not get stuck in the mud." It doesn't mean not to defend but to learn from the situation and move forward. Too many folks are like the old Confederate soldier still gaurding a bridge, oblivious that the war has been over for years and life has passed them by.
And at the risk of yet another spin off the trail, I don't think we're a "second-rate country" at all. We are just evolving, changing as we go along. We've always been doing just that and it's exactly that that has made us a great country. Only when you're in something you can't see it good, hence the word "perspective." Gotta give it time to do what it do, what we should be doing here - Keep moving forward and sticking to the road. Once you leave the road you're off into the woods, then the jungle and then the dessert. You allow pseudo-intellectuals, Pharasees and a few goofballs to take control and spin the bus even further into oblivion so far away from the truth of the original matter that you start to believe that where you end up is all there is and where you began. This is more than my opinion, it's historical and typical of our mind's play on things. Best to stick to the road my friend because the next goal is to have us shooting at it each other as culprits in the dark as the fire dies down. And hey Ralphie thanks for the email, never heard of a 3 Fly class but it sounds interesting. Appreciate your request of my Grandpa's Coins as a teaching supplement on the effect. I actually have a new "Top Shelf/Special Blend" on that, my personal way of doing the effect. Let me know how it works out and how many folks get an "A."
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Cool, Mb- onward indeed!
Regards, Jim
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Mfeld I was not judging claudia to Mbs routine . it ws said that claudia's the 3fly was correct way to perform the routine , this is only ones opinion not fact.
secondly because she is a woman in a so called mans trade she will receive more kados because of her talent. I believe if mb perfomed cludias routine not much would of been said about it except that was a nice routine period. when men and woman compete men compete against men and woman compete against women. when a woman is competeing against a man she will receive extra kados this is not sexist. it is fact it also seems anyime I hove some praise for Mb you have a problem with this |
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Open Traveller Inner circle 1087 Posts |
Just as a point of order, I NEVER said Claudia's handling was the correct way to do the routine. I said that when it came to Three Fly, her handling is how the effect should look. The point under discussion was clarity and how Three Fly can be confusing. Her handling is clear. It's how Three Fly should look. It's not the correct or the only way to look that way.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
Actually kirk, from context the comment "a man's trade" was pretty clearly not meant to mean "a profession that has historically been dominated by men"
In fact, Vinny's full sentence was "A woman in a mans trade so to speak will get extra koodos because of her talent period." This sentence implies that Vinny thinks of magic as currently a "man's trade" since he is discussing the praise that current male magicians are giving to current female magicians. Mfeld, You seem to be missing the fact that magic is mostly male based and a female is still a novelty and will garner more attention. Remember, the term "in context" and you will go a long way in better understanding the meanings of others. And yes it is true, that a female in ANY male dominated activity will garner more attention as we all recognize her extra accomplishment. Moving on, Claudia does a great job regardless of her sex. |
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Well I thought I would bring this full circle:**(PS review already posted)**
Just an FYI that Marion Boykin has a new item available, his handlings of 3 fly. It comes as an instant download-Videos and Manuscripts with different handlings that will have you performing these versions in no time. The demo is at the link below. **I will be posting my thoughts on this in the review section of the Café soon.** http://www.vinnymarini.com/download/myfly.html |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
If Claudia did mbs my fly she would get extra Kadoos
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
KUDOS!
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
Coo doe's
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Thanks mandarin and Riz, the trail, she can be a hard one to stick to at times with all the rocks and sticks flung sometimes across the path.
Hey, I was at the NY Hall of Science last night on company business and noticed that they had just had an exhibit on the Science of Magic. I wish I could've caught that. Anyway the head of the place and the curator watched me looking at the video screen and saw my excitement about the magic and started talking a bit about it as to the science of it. It was like they just rubbed Aladin's Lamp. I spoke as to the science as well but told them a lot of it had nothing to do with science, that in fact it was real magic from the higher realms of the mind and reality. Anyway, they looked at me real strange, both Ph.D's (What else would there be in such a celebrated Hall of Science?) but that didn't stop me from taking out my Grandpa's Coins to illustrate my point right in front of them and right off the cuff. They were fascinated and amazed and couldn't believe what was happening. All of the sudden having a Ph.D didn't mean so much. The curator followed me around all night asking questions. It just didn't set right with him that he knew that it had something to do with science but he just didn't quite know where to start his examination, what with coins moving from here to there and vanishing and all. I strolled around a bit showing magic amidst my work there, to kids, adults, executives, moms, coordinators, and some pretty important Fortune 100 Captains of Industry. Magic is the great equalizer and last night Einstein didn't have all that much up on me.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Some magic does use scientific principle.
It is also part psychology, theatre and other arts. Magic also draws it's performers from the street to the elite. That's all folks! Harris deutsch F.U.D.D. (Elmer that is)
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
And Harris my friend, as to science, y'know I've found that there is nothing better to sl**ve than a soft dollar size coin. Aeordynamically as to its size and weight it is perfect and flies up the chute the best IMHO. I know it's a matter of taste and for years I did it mostly with half dollars but until I started playing around with My Fly, I didn't use the Morgans all that much in effects. Brand new ones might feel a bit heavier I suppose but the softees are just ideal and feel so good. They fly like frisbees a straight flat shot everytime. I'm glad I played with them so much but I think actually I started to feel this way sorta behind developing my Goldfinger PLUS effect, it felt noticeably more comfortable to me even then.
With My Fly and such 3 Fly type effects, the larger coins most definitely play better when you're doing it IMHO. A few weeks of having those larger coins in my hands and I have rarely now touched the halves, though most all of my effects use half dollar size coins. To tell you the truth, I manipulate the halves much better now because of the constant exercise/stretching I guess of use with the larger dollar size coins. Every move with the smaller ones now are so much easier and more stealth...The feel like toys, like quarters (which I rarely touch). Give it a real try and you'll see what I'm talking about here. Yet another point of gratitude I owe to my Grandpa's Coins.
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lorenwade Special user 869 Posts |
Just purchased this routine. I haven't been able to try it out as I don't have a set of soft coins yet. I've looked through the material and watched the videos though. Mb's videos always have a great value and this one is no exception. I can't wait to get moving on this effect.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
I have a problem here. I don''t like the Three Fly effect, but I love Marion's work. He has mastered certain difficult moves to perfection.
Now to read here that he is a great sales person, and so induce something negative on his work, is unfair. Marion is a delightful person with a huge heart but a sales person he is not (at least not in magic). Marion, I feel honored (and happy) to have you as a friend even when you work at an effect that I don't really like and get criticized as if it was your take rather than the effect itself that deserves criticism.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I also do not like traditonal 3Fly effects as holding one's hands up with the backs to the audience seems artificial to me. I have long done similar effects with stones, nuts and balls with palms up, hands never touching and shown cleanly after each transport -- but couldn't do it with coins. With Mb's help in discussing his methods I now can do it with coins. Please look to the innovation and technique and extract what you can -- without bashing anyone. For me his work and help is "other than" -- "better than" not even an issue. Becasue of arthritus I cannot do 80% of what he offers, but his Download is still woth the money for the magic he shares.
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