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streetcoin Regular user 117 Posts |
A little while ago I was looking at some great routines on youtube.
Then I saw dai vernon's version of cups and balls. after some playing with some coins and cards I found out that its relative easy to port it to coin magic. I have a routine (which could be perfected) but I just wanted to know what you are thinking of that idea. my routine works with a gold, copper, silver coin that are travelling from card to card and are doing funny things. the beginning and the end is clean. Am I the first trying to do this? I've never seen someone doing it. its a great opener and you could easily start a matrix and some transpositions. |
markmage New user 23 Posts |
How about a video?
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streetcoin Regular user 117 Posts |
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On 2009-10-24 09:55, markmage wrote: I don't really like performing before a camera. I know it sounds silly but if you want to get an idea how it is performed you can send me a pm and I will send you how I do it. but actually I want your opinion about the idea |
David Neighbors V.I.P. 4911 Posts |
Hi streetcoin,
Ray Mertz Had a routine use 3 Jumbo cards And 3 Halfs! and he did a cups & balls routine with them! I think it was in one of the Close-up Cavalcade books! Sorry I can't remember the one it was in! I can't find that book right now! If any has those books ( there where 3 of them) maybe thay can Help! Or you can ask Jerry Mentzer at Magic Methods! He put out the books! ( I think he is on line!)Ok hope this helps! |
streetcoin Regular user 117 Posts |
Thanks, I will google a bit about his routine.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
The question is fine and in a way reflects this last generation or so where specialization seems to occur before mastery of the basics.
YES FOLKS HAVE EXPLORED IT - as the cups is a much older trick and the coin assembly trick and the item in Bobo's pretty much is a subset of a cups routine if you look. There's a really good reason or three to look at porting the cups and balls to coins and cards as degenerate, inbred and counterproductive. The working performer will likely not even need to consider this question as their intuition gained from experience will guide them away from such teacup miniatures when what they need to get by are robust service dogs. Let's see, mat, cardcase, talon, coinbox... lot o stuff to get the trick moving that way when you could take out ... nope not gonna tip that yet. Anyway, most simply: why clutter your table with minuscule, contrived and vain attempts to be clever when the classic item is to scale, requires less setup and you have much more in terms of literature and ready made props to help you? IMHO the coin assembly plot does okay with coins and covers. Adding some transpositions using an odd coin and some changes later to odd and jumbo coins for a finish ... can be done but ... why? From there it's really about your working venue and setup/reset considerations. Look at what Tommy Wonder did when performing for example
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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ShawnB Special user 728 Posts |
Take a look at Gary Kurtz Trio in 3.
Shawn
Shawn.
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streetcoin Regular user 117 Posts |
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YES FOLKS HAVE EXPLORED IT - as the cups is a much older trick and the coin assembly trick and the item in Bobo's pretty much is a subset of a cups routine if you look. Never looked at it that way, interesting. why would you do that? answer: simple, to continue doing my coin work. I really like coin magic and its the way I want to go to. when performing it with cups it looks strange if you continue with coins. lets say you perform it the way I want it, do after it a card matrix (your pretty much set for this) and than a final transposition, you have a great coin routine don't you? |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Did you find "that" routine in Bobo's? Uses three cards and some of the cups routine structure. It's been there since the 1960s waiting for you -
Please do take folks up on ellipses of that kind when you get them. They are put there so you know there's a thing ready waiting for you to find a thing and enjoy the discovery.
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Jeffrey Cowan Regular user Los Angeles, CA 130 Posts |
Consider also that "cards and coins" tricks play small because the focus is so low on the table. Cups and balls play larger. . .
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feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
Funsway (Ken) has a ebook just on this concept. Pm him. I wish I could remember the name of the ebook.....rrrrrr sorry about that.
Tim
Mean people SUCK!!!!!!!
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9987 Posts |
I won't release it without photos and maybe video,
but am happy to chat with anyone about two dimentional representations of Cup & Ball themes
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
eBooks at https://www.lybrary.com/ken-muller-m-579928.html questions at ken@eversway.com |
ray raymond Veteran user 329 Posts |
In a lot of ways it is the same effect as a matrix routine with cards coins travel from card to card.
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