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jusakarman
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Hello guys...

I want to ask you all, maybe you can share, what trick you do for your 30 second rule?
Thanks
"for those magicians who place magic above comfort and reward" from book of wonder by Tommy Wonder (November 29, 1953 - June 26, 2006) ........
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Stage? Parlor? Close-up? Which one are you referring to?
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30 second rule?
You know why don't act naive.
Jaz
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There's a rule?
Father Photius
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You don't need to do a trick within the first 30 seconds, you need to get the audiences attention in the first 30 seconds.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Yes I mean to get attention on that rule: close up and stage.

Sometimes I saw magician do a quick trick to get attention like appearing something with a flash paper. So what trick will you do or something can attract attention?
"for those magicians who place magic above comfort and reward" from book of wonder by Tommy Wonder (November 29, 1953 - June 26, 2006) ........
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Ohhhhhh that 30 second rule. I simply proclaim in a loud voice:
"I'm here, I'm here! Let the bells ring out and the banners fly! Feast your eyes on me, it's too good to be true but I'm here, I'm here!"
You know why don't act naive.
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ROFL Herb. Too funny.

Seriously, although an amateur I have noticed that those first short seconds of time at the opener is really important. It sets up the attitude for my impromptu stuff, allowing the audience to know its just a trick or two, versus an entire show. Also, it lets them know how long or how formal a show to expect.
I used to be embarrassed, knowing I wasn't good enough to do a full show, so I would say "let me show you a trick" but really have a bunch ready to show. Then I would be bummed when the audience sort of broke up and milled around after the first trick. duh...
Now, if I have several pieces of new material I have practiced for my friends or family, I make more of a deal about some neat things I've been working on. That sits them down for a mini-show and they seem excited and engaged for the whole thing. Seems to work better for my style.
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Actually, that rule came from speech making and later, sales training. It correctly states something akin to, "After you get their attention you have 30 seconds to justify it and earn five minutes." You only have to give them reason to want more -- not knock their socks off. Of course, if you are working a bar and competing with three giant TV screens and a lot of cleavage you may need different tactics.

I'm a story teller, so sometimes they endure my magic to get the end of the story.
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Even something as simple as a TT silk vanish would go a long way. Perhaps do it when you are introducing yourself. Some of the simplest tricks can drop jaws. There's no need for an ultra-super-duper-extravagant truck right at the start. I've shown friends some very sophisticated tricks and they don't seem to care -- they want to see that darn silk vanish again!

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No tricks, just a self introduction. If I did a gambling demonstration..it would be something like.." Hello, my name Jack Smith..and in the next few mintues I am going to show you how not to get cheated in a game of cards."

All your trying to do is to set the tone of what is going follow.
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I think it depends entirely on the situation. Are they there expressly to see you? Or are you very kindly helping to keep them from being bored while they wait for something else?

I used to do just a “classic” magician, opening with an Appearing Cane that took less than 5 seconds. Later I added a quip about magicians to that opening. And as funsway said above, sometimes it’s just a story or even a joke (btw, just like doing magic, NEVER telegraph that you’re about to “do” a joke!)

A couple times I’ve even just been silly. If they already know they’re going to see a magician, I’ll borrow something from an old television comic from years back, holding up a finger on each hand, then banging my fists together and showing TWO fingers now on the same hand. It’s dumb, but it still gets laughs. It releases tension (from BOTH sides of the footlights), and then we can get on with “business”.
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It doesn't have to be magic, it is more stage presence. You come on stage with confidence, make eye contact with the audience, take command of the stage. A weak entrance, mumbling and stumbling around in that first 30 seconds will loose the audience.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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I think Bill Abbott's 5 Card Opener gets the audience's attention, establishes the entertainers credibility and creates a call-back applause cue all in the first few minutes of the show. While it certainly takes more than 30 seconds to perform, it is the one opener I do at all my shows, for all ages, and (with the two different sized props included with the effect) is perfect for close up, parlor and stage performances. I've been doing his 5 Card Opener for the past month and it KILLS. When you buy the effect from Bill Abbott, he covers all of the issues you need to address in this opening effect in the accompanying DVD. I can't recommend it strongly enough. (I have no financial interest in Bill Abbott Magic or his products.) There are a couple of threads on the Café dealing with this effect and you can see the promo at http://www.billabbottmagic.com/public/IS......?ProID=5 Hope this helps!
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It depends on many things including audience angles. If the angles permit it and you can do card manipulation of any kind, this usually works very well. Color changes, vanishes (Tenkai vanish, backpalm vanish), productions. If you're on a stage, people will generally pay attention to whatever you're doing - you have the stage!

If you're doing walkaround, you need to earn the attention. The way to do this is to talk to the person who is the most interested. By focusing only on this person, their friends will take interest. When you try to continuously get the whole group's attention it's easy end up being annoying. It's the difference between forcing someone to watch a trick and having them beg you to do one more.

Hope this helps!
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Yes......
so doing something to get attention right...?
"for those magicians who place magic above comfort and reward" from book of wonder by Tommy Wonder (November 29, 1953 - June 26, 2006) ........
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Streaking would do that -- you want to sustain attention,
with an imprsssion of "magical" in there soomrwhere.
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I think I would introduce myself first and get to know the names of the spectators. and then build anticipation for the first effect. but this is armchairwisdom, I don't have any performance experience
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The audience needs a reason to anticipate the wonders they are about to behold. Burton and Copperfiled have that established before the curtain ever rises! You and I, though, need a bit more of a boost.

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Streaking would do that -- you want to sustain attention,
with an imprsssion of "magical" in there soomrwhere.


Exactly! Long before you reach the end of the first 30 seconds, the audience is asking themselves "Who is this person? And why should I give them my attention?" Who you are will give them the reason for why they should stay and give you 30 seconds.

Ed
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I think it was in Henry Hay's Amateur Magician (?) there is a difference between getting attention and gaining interest. A lot of things can be done to gain attention to what you are doing... a loud scream, a gunshot, nudity...... but getting them interested in what you are about to do is another thing.
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