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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
In the October 1947 issue of The Wizard Magazine, there is a KILLER ring and rope effect. It is described using a hula-hoop and a jump rope, which would make it great for stage, but it can be done with a standard 5" ring and 5-6' length of rope. It is absurdly simple as there is virtually NO move, AND it can be done all in the spectator's hands! The ring is tied on to the rope with a bow knot. Each end of the rope is given to spectators to hold. A third spectator holds the ring. The rope is pulled tight and the knot disappears and the ring penetrates the rope. It is that direct and so simple it is a dream. Definately look this one up. The Wizard Magazine can be found on CD-ROM from Martin Breese. If you are a ring and rope guy like me, you will want this for sure!
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
From your descriptionI'm not sure if the ring is penetrating onto the rope or off of the rope. Yet for those of us that don't have access to the 1947 edition:
If "onto" the rope - Sounds like a version of Sefalaljia, which is taught in many places If "off" of the rope, sounds like Hindu Ring mystery (Ency Rope Tricks p324) (yet I've had trouble getting the bow know to always work right)
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
It is the ring coming off of the rope.
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jolyonjenkins Inner circle United Kingdom 1181 Posts |
Is this the Hunter knot (the shoelace one, not the puzzle knot) but with a ring in the middle?
Jolyon Jenkins
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I don't think so. It is just a simple bow knot.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2009-10-29 17:35, rjenkins wrote: Its not a Hunter puzzle knot, I'm not sure what you mean by a Hunter shoelace knot (maybe goes by another name) Although one could use the Hunter knot to get the ring onto the rope. If you have The Ency of Rope Tricks, the Hindu Ring Mystery by Eddie Joseph starts with the ring on the rope; you tie a bow/shoelance type knot around it, then thread the free ends through the loops of the bow knot. The method looks somewhat similar to a trick I saw on Sankey's Amazing Tricks Anyone Can Do where a bow knot is tied and then dissolves away (w/o a ring though). Both of which I found easy to mess up.
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2009-10-30 18:20, John Long wrote: This is not the same thing. |
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Cranial Fermentator Loyal user 238 Posts |
Not sure, but by the description, the method sounds very similar to one that Pavel demonstrated on one his video tapes.
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I have not seen the Pavel video. This effect, however, is older than Pavel's effect, I am sure.
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
Here is a quick demo of the effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGwy5bwgxs |
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KPhilip New user Around the Globe 57 Posts |
It looks like something Jeff McBride is doing on his McBride on stage DVD, although he explains that his rope routine is based on Jeff Sheridan's Swan Lake, Tarbell's Course in Magic, George Sands rope routines and something from Pavel
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ajb6864 Special user Greece 637 Posts |
Vinny Marini once showed me a great little piece, quite a while ago, tying a bow with a lace and finger ring for a very similar effect. I lost the video of it when my last computer 'blew up', but I'm sure The Godfather will remember what his effect was called.
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Cranial Fermentator Loyal user 238 Posts |
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On 2009-11-02 15:47, dpe666 wrote: I'm sure it is. Actually, Pavel uses this move for quite a different effect: a red ring tied on a white rope magically changes places with a white ring on a red rope. |
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
Could just be me, and no criticism of the 666 performance, but the method looks painfully obvious. Perhaps with a bigger hoop attention would not be so tight on the business. Only musing.
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2009-11-06 17:16, HerbLarry wrote: I don't know. I do this almost every night, and it gets great reactions. |
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
Hi David,
Keep up the good work. I'm gonna give it a go tonight.
You know why don't act naive.
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murf Loyal user San Antonio, TX 264 Posts |
BerbLarry, it's NOT just you! I also thought the method looked painfully obvious.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
This seems to be essentially the same as the Hindu Ring Mystery (by Eddie Joseph). The way you tied the bow knot is different, but the secret move seems to be the same.
One needs to use adequate misdirection while the "move" is being done, and having a bigger mess of a bow knot will help camouflage the result of the "move". Both of these are somewhat addressed in the Hindu Ring Mystery - the "move" becomes part of tying *another* knot around the ring. As to whether the method is obvious - this will always be the concern when an effect is presented by itself, and you have the opportunity to view the demo again. Even though the effect was not presented with much "fan-fare", I did not notice you doing the move the first time I watched the demo, you were smooth (but I did notice the result of the move, the discrepancy) John John
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
It flies by well I'll say. The discrepancy, good term John, was more my concern than the move. A bit of cover and all is well.
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wally Inner circle 1828 Posts |
I too would like info on the skipping rope and a hula hoop/
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