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In the October 1947 issue of The Wizard Magazine, there is a KILLER ring and rope effect. It is described using a hula-hoop and a jump rope, which would make it great for stage, but it can be done with a standard 5" ring and 5-6' length of rope. It is absurdly simple as there is virtually NO move, AND it can be done all in the spectator's hands! The ring is tied on to the rope with a bow knot. Each end of the rope is given to spectators to hold. A third spectator holds the ring. The rope is pulled tight and the knot disappears and the ring penetrates the rope. It is that direct and so simple it is a dream. Definately look this one up. The Wizard Magazine can be found on CD-ROM from Martin Breese. If you are a ring and rope guy like me, you will want this for sure! Smile
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From your descriptionI'm not sure if the ring is penetrating onto the rope or off of the rope. Yet for those of us that don't have access to the 1947 edition:

If "onto" the rope
- Sounds like a version of Sefalaljia, which is taught in many places

If "off" of the rope, sounds like
Hindu Ring mystery (Ency Rope Tricks p324)
(yet I've had trouble getting the bow know to always work right)
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It is the ring coming off of the rope. Smile
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Is this the Hunter knot (the shoelace one, not the puzzle knot) but with a ring in the middle?
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I don't think so. It is just a simple bow knot. Smile
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On 2009-10-29 17:35, rjenkins wrote:
Is this the Hunter knot (the shoelace one, not the puzzle knot) but with a ring in the middle?


Its not a Hunter puzzle knot, I'm not sure what you mean by a Hunter shoelace knot (maybe goes by another name) Although one could use the Hunter knot to get the ring onto the rope.
If you have The Ency of Rope Tricks, the Hindu Ring Mystery by Eddie Joseph starts with the ring on the rope; you tie a bow/shoelance type knot around it, then thread the free ends through the loops of the bow knot. The method looks somewhat similar to a trick I saw on Sankey's Amazing Tricks Anyone Can Do where a bow knot is tied and then dissolves away (w/o a ring though). Both of which I found easy to mess up.
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On 2009-10-30 18:20, John Long wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 17:35, rjenkins wrote:
Is this the Hunter knot (the shoelace one, not the puzzle knot) but with a ring in the middle?


Its not a Hunter puzzle knot, I'm not sure what you mean by a Hunter shoelace knot (maybe goes by another name) Although one could use the Hunter knot to get the ring onto the rope.
If you have The Ency of Rope Tricks, the Hindu Ring Mystery by Eddie Joseph starts with the ring on the rope; you tie a bow/shoelance type knot around it, then thread the free ends through the loops of the bow knot. The method looks somewhat similar to a trick I saw on Sankey's Amazing Tricks Anyone Can Do where a bow knot is tied and then dissolves away (w/o a ring though). Both of which I found easy to mess up.


This is not the same thing. Smile
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Not sure, but by the description, the method sounds very similar to one that Pavel demonstrated on one his video tapes.
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I have not seen the Pavel video. This effect, however, is older than Pavel's effect, I am sure. Smile
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Here is a quick demo of the effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGwy5bwgxs Smile
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It looks like something Jeff McBride is doing on his McBride on stage DVD, although he explains that his rope routine is based on Jeff Sheridan's Swan Lake, Tarbell's Course in Magic, George Sands rope routines and something from Pavel

Not that it helped you any further on your search, it is just info
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Vinny Marini once showed me a great little piece, quite a while ago, tying a bow with a lace and finger ring for a very similar effect. I lost the video of it when my last computer 'blew up', but I'm sure The Godfather will remember what his effect was called.

Very, very nice btw.
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On 2009-11-02 15:47, dpe666 wrote:
I have not seen the Pavel video. This effect, however, is older than Pavel's effect, I am sure. Smile


I'm sure it is. Actually, Pavel uses this move for quite a different effect: a red ring tied on a white rope magically changes places with a white ring on a red rope.
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Could just be me, and no criticism of the 666 performance, but the method looks painfully obvious. Perhaps with a bigger hoop attention would not be so tight on the business. Only musing.
You know why don't act naive.
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On 2009-11-06 17:16, HerbLarry wrote:
Could just be me, and no criticism of the 666 performance, but the method looks painfully obvious. Perhaps with a bigger hoop attention would not be so tight on the business. Only musing.


I don't know. I do this almost every night, and it gets great reactions. Smile
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Hi David,
Keep up the good work. I'm gonna give it a go tonight.
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BerbLarry, it's NOT just you! I also thought the method looked painfully obvious.

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This seems to be essentially the same as the Hindu Ring Mystery (by Eddie Joseph). The way you tied the bow knot is different, but the secret move seems to be the same.

One needs to use adequate misdirection while the "move" is being done, and having a bigger mess of a bow knot will help camouflage the result of the "move". Both of these are somewhat addressed in the Hindu Ring Mystery - the "move" becomes part of tying *another* knot around the ring.

As to whether the method is obvious - this will always be the concern when an effect is presented by itself, and you have the opportunity to view the demo again. Even though the effect was not presented with much "fan-fare", I did not notice you doing the move the first time I watched the demo, you were smooth (but I did notice the result of the move, the discrepancy)

John

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It flies by well I'll say. The discrepancy, good term John, was more my concern than the move. A bit of cover and all is well.
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I too would like info on the skipping rope and a hula hoop/
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