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einzo New user 11 Posts |
I was watching Peter Marvey do his fantastic manipulation act and I loved the silk effect he did in the beginning. Does anyone know how to fold the silks or what this method is called?
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts |
You will find anything you need to know about silk production in Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic, vol. #1. If you're interested in Silk Magic, that's the place to go. You can get them used for about $100-150 a set. There's a CD too for around $30.00, if my memory is correct. I believe it even has volume #4 (not produced by Rice) too. Google "Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic".
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
I think the DVDs were liquidated at a bargain price. Accuracy was a major problem. The original Rice volumes were hand lettered. (Remember that Harold Rice was an Art professor.) The scanning in of the books did not have as good a font match as was needed.
Get the real thing. Get the books. RICE here in the Magic Café will get you Harold Rice's daughter. She can help you get the real thing and an index that is priceless for reference. This set of books will save you tons of money on bought tricks. Essentially you'll just need good silks. Enjoy! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
I don't think that routine performed by Peter Marvey is in Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic, but I might be wrong. You will find something very similar to Marvey`s routine in Jochen Zmeck Handbuch der Magie on page 238. That routine was created by Max Schybol.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Right or wrong, we accept you as a gentleman and a scholar! You have a lot of class. Why don't we get more posts from you?
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
GET THE RICE BOOKS!
Oh.......sorry I yelled! Also, Rocco's and George Saterial's lecture notes have lovely methods for silk productions. Highly recommended. |
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
Although this may not be the exact method Mr. Marvey used, there is a remarkably similar production of three silks (from an apparently empty hand... that can be done without any sleeves) In Phoa Yan Tiong's lecture notes. It never appeared in the Silk encyclopedia...BTW- wasn't that lettered by hand by the inestimable Francis Martineau?
The last two larger silks produced (#7 and 8) could be using a method that IS in the silk encyclopedia. Bob is correct...Bojan Barisic's posts are few and far between, but each is a wealth of information and a joy to read.
visit me @ JNealShow.com
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chmara Inner circle Tucson, AZ 1911 Posts |
The secret is preparation.
These moves involve not just manipulation but planning in costume, load placement silk sewn design and body movement. As an OLD, old, old radio show used to say," 'taint easy McGee."
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara
Commercial Operations, LLC Tucson, AZ C. H. Mara Illusion & Psychic Entertainments |
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einzo New user 11 Posts |
Thanks guys for all the great info I will look into this. I just discovered this site few days ago and thank you Bob for your warm welcome. I live in Iceland and there are only 10 magicians in the country so I will use this site more often to help myself improve my magic.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
JNeal,
You are absolutely right. Rice's books were hand lettered by Francis Martineau and that is why the last time I talked to Harold Rice in 1986(?) he said he would never release another book himself. It was hand lettered or nothing to an artist. Unfortunately not everyone is aware of how much went into the production of some of our classics for the magicians yet to come. The care was certainly there. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
As I recall, the last volume in the Rice series was produced with the text set in a font based on Frances Martineau's lettering so that it would resemble the layout and format of the earlier volumes. That was a nice touch by Mark Trimble in producing it. To quote from the GENII Magicpedia at
http://www.geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.......,_Vol._4 "To try and preserve the layout, the hand lettering of the first volumes done by Francis Martineau were scanned and a font was created. There were very few new illustrations (if any). Illustrations were found from the first three volumes then digitally altered where needed." ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
It is obvious that the effort was made. Even the page numbering began where the real Rice works stopped.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Hank Lee is the publisher of the Rice Encyclopedia now. Rice's Studio only has a few copies of the original volume 3 left.
If it was not for Hank Lee (Hank Lee Magic or Magic Facts), these volumes would be lost. He went to great lengths and expense to re-produce a very slow selling set of books. As for the actual answer to the original question, this is Peter Marvey's invention or idea of producing silks in his act. It was never released to the magic community, as was anything else in that act on YouTube. It has now been many years since this act was originally performed, and he used a totally unique black art principle that no one else had used in the past. We can only guess at his gimmicks and handling, but only Peter Marvey knows for sure. |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
The zoom lens also killed many of these acts. What works on stage may not work on camera.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2009-11-02 16:30, Bob Sanders wrote: I like books, but I'm not sure I want to spend so much for something that I don't have a big need for. Is the CD/DVD version good or junk? Thanks; John
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
John,
The CD is a great resource if you don't have the space or funds for the books, and if you don't mind reading off a computer or printing what you want. With that said, whatever software was used for the digital conversion did a horrific job; there are misspellings galore, even some of the names of the effects and contributors. I was appalled when I first got it, and considered it a hatchet job. It caused me to contact the seller with utter disappointment, which I've only done a couple times, and Hank offered a refund. But, at least the information is there in a handy semi-searchable state.
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Michael:
Thanks for expressing your opinion, which seems to agree with Bob S's. I'll have to give some thought as to whether I want to bother w/the CD version. I much prefer book reading over computer screen reading, but I also like my money. Any suggestions on which of the volumes is the best to start with? And, what are reasonable prices to pay for each?
Breathtaking Magic;
Not Breath Taking |
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chmara Inner circle Tucson, AZ 1911 Posts |
If you truly want to develop a sense of silks for an act, start with one and go all the way through in order. Each Volume has various approaches to folds, tricks and equipment and is rich in ideas.
I am about to list a number of my old US VHS tapes on silks, folds and basics, and found them helpful because I often get confused translating written words of a folding technique into action - a problem I also have with ropes. Once I have something down into my body movement, though, it usually sticks... Also, remember, there is no right or wrong way to do silk magic -- sometimes easier folds for flashy fast display, rolls and z-fold tricks for holding stuff together -- but the idea is to entertain. It always amazes me (even when I do it) how wrong it is to just pull a long streamer out of something and not use it as a serpentine display on a stick or such. Some years ago, Father Daniel Roland (a really great bizarre magician) wondered why I was ditching my silks so quick -- they were too colorful and beautiful and deserved better display after production. That's when I got some jet set frames and started displaying each 6' P&A silk I produced to create a riot of color as a stage background -- dragons, butterflies, etc. - and added two swords out of an eastern motif square circle BEFORE several streamers (30'x 4") which I swirled out of the box like endless long flags on the sword tips. The one thing Rice's does not really teach (but does mention) is the patience in preparation you need to make a silk act work. It takes time to fold and set -- so when I was doing two a night -- I took a cue from Tony Blanco -- (who used the idea by pre-preparing his newspaper tears) and got two of everything prepared and pre-folded to minimize reset time between shows.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara
Commercial Operations, LLC Tucson, AZ C. H. Mara Illusion & Psychic Entertainments |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Chmara:
You (re)raise an important factor; apparently, Rice's books/CD has very few illustrations!? Maybe there are better sources for me to start with? Tell me about the tapes you are about to post. John
Breathtaking Magic;
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
When I quoted the Magicpedia on the Café on November 10 about the illustrations in Volume 4 of the Rice 'Encyclopedia of Silks,' I was careful to quote: "There were very few _new_ illustrations (if any). Illustrations were found from the first three volumes, then digitally altered where needed." The operative word is "new." There are illustrations a-plenty in Volume 4. But to preserve the Martineau-style, the illustrations were based on and modified from illustrations from the previous volumes. You can read the actual Magicpedia article at
http://www.geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.......,_Vol._4 If a platform or stage magician were to limit his/her magic library to a single bookcase with five shelves, I would think that the four volume 'Encyclopedia of Silk Magic' would be a definite must. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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