The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Tricks & Effects » » The Godfather's, "Unfaithful Force" (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5~6 [Next]
Jay Mahon
View Profile
Special user
983 Posts

Profile of Jay Mahon
Michael Skinner had some beautiful touches on this idea. Done very slowly. I've got about 8 hours of Michael sitting down doing magic non stop in a living room. Amazing man...

J
Jay Mahon
View Profile
Special user
983 Posts

Profile of Jay Mahon
Vinny,
Give it a try with cutting the cards towards the spectator, instead of taking some off and bringing them back. This crossing of the hands will justify the the right hand coming back to deal the card. Right now you bring the cards back and it seems like the left hand could thumb of the top card easily. With the cards cut in front it isn't really natural or possible to deal the top left hand card with the left thumb you need that right hand to come back.

What do you think?

J
vinsmagic
View Profile
Eternal Order
sleeping with the fishes...
10577 Posts

Profile of vinsmagic
Jay that's a excellent idea. this is what magic is all about trying different things and making them better.
if you have Skinner doing this can you please put up a demo for us I'm very interested. OT I am not claiming any originality just that in all my years I have never seen the hop used as a force and I can not find any crediting on this. You also state some big names well please say who so I can check out your references..

vinny
Ps I am not overreacting to anything I just don't like any nit picking about how I pronounced a word this is bush imo
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
Jay Mahon
View Profile
Special user
983 Posts

Profile of Jay Mahon
Vinny,
As I do not believe I have any right to upload anything of Michael's I am afraid I won't be able to do that Vinny. I am happy to talk about it though. It's also on VHS which I need to convert to DVD. I have approx 40-50 vhs tapes of various magic specials from the 70s to now, underground tapes, etc. All need to be put on DVD.

Let's see how that goes and if anyone know who has rights to the Michael Skinner Estate I would love to know how to get in touch.

J
vinsmagic
View Profile
Eternal Order
sleeping with the fishes...
10577 Posts

Profile of vinsmagic
Jay thank you for the PM..
We as magicians have had to get our inspirations form some I have always felt that if you like a idea try and use it or inprove on it if this is possible and sometimes this is not possible .
In the past I have always gave my material away for for free.Now just because I ask for a small fee to keep my site going I get all kinds of flack form thoes that contribute nothing the the magic community .
by giving my material for free I have cheepend my magic it is my own fault I have not heard any thing negitive form all access members except sometime poor audio then again no members have come foward to back what I do in recent times.
you know what? I'm not going to give the farm away and who the Hell cares .
vinny
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
Dorian Rhodell
View Profile
Inner circle
San Francisco, CA.
1629 Posts

Profile of Dorian Rhodell
Quote:
On 2009-11-03 10:51, Jay Mahon wrote:
Vinny,
As I do not believe I have any right to upload anything of Michael's I am afraid I won't be able to do that Vinny. I am happy to talk about it though. It's also on VHS which I need to convert to DVD. I have approx 40-50 vhs tapes of various magic specials from the 70s to now, underground tapes, etc. All need to be put on DVD.

Let's see how that goes and if anyone know who has rights to the Michael Skinner Estate I would love to know how to get in touch.

J


Hi Jay,

I think oyou would need to get in touch with Geno Munari, founder of the Houdini's Magic Shop chain. He released 1 VHS and two DVD's of Skinner when he was younger. Fantastic material to watch. Michael was the best.

Take care,

Dorian Rhodell
Jay Mahon
View Profile
Special user
983 Posts

Profile of Jay Mahon
Thanks Dorian,

I will keep that in mind.

J
vinsmagic
View Profile
Eternal Order
sleeping with the fishes...
10577 Posts

Profile of vinsmagic
Any one who purchased my all access thinks the material that is tought is not original and is un happy with the purchase I will refund the money no questions asked. so far there has not been one person that was dis satasified.
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
Open Traveller
View Profile
Inner circle
1087 Posts

Profile of Open Traveller
Vin,

I was just explaining to kcg5 why Harry might have wanted to point out the incorrect usage of the word (and, it gave me the opportunity to make a pun). In practically every one of your posts on the Café, you misspell, misuse or mistype something. To point them all out would lengthen any thread by a factor of three, and yet I've not once brought any of them to your attention. Tell Harry Lorayne to kiss your ass, not me. Or, alternately, rather than hurling insults, find a better way to conduct your discourse.

Jay, Michael Skinner's touches on the move, particularly the squaring touch, make it, in my opinion. Handled the way he did, the move becomes truly invisible from all angles and perfectly deceptive.

Dorian, Geno bought everything he could of Michael's in an estate sale, but Michael has a surviving sister, and she may have any existing rights. However, I don't think she has the interest. Come to think of it, I'm not certain if it was an estate sale or a public sale held by the court. Geno would know.

Thanks.
vinsmagic
View Profile
Eternal Order
sleeping with the fishes...
10577 Posts

Profile of vinsmagic
OT I am a teribble one finger typer no excuse, but I do try my best to present good magic.
This is why I said I could not believe I did not think of using the hop as a force in all the years I have performed it.
second if you had a problem with my tying errors or misused words
the proper thing to do was to pm me not call me out on the forum like harry did.
a good person would do this
vinny
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
Harry Lorayne
View Profile
V.I.P.
New York City
8241 Posts

Profile of Harry Lorayne
Hey, how did I get into the middle of this? I certainly meant no disrespect. I love Vinny's work, and as I said above, it's a great use of the Hop, and Vinny does it beautifully. I know about the Hop, of course, AND HE STILL FOOLED ME THE FIRST TIME I WATCHED THE VIDEO. I was really and simply trying to be helpful with the "rifle"/"riffle" thing. Misspelling here on posts is unimportant - we type quickly, etc., and I make those typos, too. It's when and if working for lay audiences, I just thought it'd be helpful if he knew that the word is "riffle." Didn't want him to be embarrassed, etc. Please, I repeat, was just trying to helpful. And also to repeat - great job with that force, Vinny. Best - HARRY.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]

http://www.harrylorayne.com
http://www.harryloraynemagic.com
Carlo
View Profile
Loyal user
San Francisco, California
232 Posts

Profile of Carlo
Looks beautiful, Vinny. I know what you're doing but I don't see it happening.
vinsmagic
View Profile
Eternal Order
sleeping with the fishes...
10577 Posts

Profile of vinsmagic
I have no way of knowing the force is old 9 I my self have never seen it done before. but this doesn't mean it has never been done.
I can't read every book or watch every DVD, I am only speaking from experience..
If Skinner did this, I will check it out at the Magic Castle library.

I think I will take a break from the Café, too much bs going on, I can't stand it anymore.
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
Alan M
View Profile
Veteran user
California
392 Posts

Profile of Alan M
Quote:
On 2009-11-03 13:35, Carlo wrote:
Looks beautiful, Vinny. I know what you're doing but I don't see it happening.


Vinny taught me the Hop (as a control) a few years ago. Needless to say I was completely fooled, but even after he showed me the work, it was still completely deceptive when he did it. It was exactly as Carlo said: "I know what you're doing but I don't see it happening."

I look forward to playing around with the Hop as a force. Thanks for introducing me to and fooling me with this move, Vinny.

Alan M.
Magiguy
View Profile
Inner circle
Seattle, WA
5347 Posts

Profile of Magiguy
Quote:
On 2009-11-03 16:50, vinsmagic wrote:
I think I will take a break from the Café too much bs going on I cant stand it anymore


That would be an absolute shame. You're too valuable here to be lost over such foolishness. I hope you are kidding.
gdw
View Profile
Inner circle
4780 Posts

Profile of gdw
I am so confused. Harry commented about a word, and vinny is ****ed at someone else. Wtf
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
Ben Train
View Profile
Inner circle
Erdnase never had
4637 Posts

Profile of Ben Train
Quote:
On 2009-11-03 16:50, vinsmagic wrote:
I have no way of knowing the force is old 9 I my self have never seen it done before. but this doesn't mean it has never been done.
I can't read every book or watch every DVD, I am only speaking from experience..
If Skinner did this, I will check it out at the Magic Castle library.

I think I will take a break from the Café, too much bs going on, I can't stand it anymore.

You're right- with so much being produced, and so much that has come before, it is impossible to check every reference. All anyone can ask is you did your best, checked the major sources, and asked several knowledgeable people for help.

No one can fault you for accidentally coming up with something that's been done before (it happens to all of us. Thanks Marlo).

But, we can fault you for finding out it's not yours, being directed to the original sources, and then not checking them out or removing your video. That's not cool.

Ben
If you're reading this you're my favorite magician.
Rizzo
View Profile
Inner circle
East Coast
2990 Posts

Profile of Rizzo
Here we go.
3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead
Xcath1
View Profile
Inner circle
2246 Posts

Profile of Xcath1
It's on
Ben Train
View Profile
Inner circle
Erdnase never had
4637 Posts

Profile of Ben Train
I'm not trying to start anything or stir up trouble. You find out something isn't yours- take it down. Then check the sources. If it turns out it isn't yours, no harm no foul. If it turns out the sources don't exist, or they are sufficiently different, then re-post. You lost nothing by doing that, but you have a lot to lose by keeping the video up until you have done your due-diligence.

Best,
Ben
If you're reading this you're my favorite magician.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Tricks & Effects » » The Godfather's, "Unfaithful Force" (0 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5~6 [Next]
X
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.12 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL