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vinsmagic
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That's some beautiful work my kind a guy I love it.
tomas thank you for sharing
but his work is nothng similar to the hopand force
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What has happened to our Café?

Ben, you are a good man with good intentions.... if you can help contact those you think can validate Vinny's move... please just do it. That would be bigger help. This goes out to all who may have more access and knowledge.

Vinny as always, takes time to send his new materials out to friends and fellow magicians for assessment and validation for credits. Everything is conscience based. It is the complete intention to be fair that is important. Even that has some failures....Failures due to lack of knowledge that some have.

You may call me a fanboy for all I care... BUT if Harry says it has merits... there must be something there! The gentleman with the move was even fooled? Not a great word but Harry was. For the record I am a fan of Harry.

Harry was dragged into a fiasco where he was not suppose to be in.

Can't we simply be helpful? If we want to help...please.... let us go all the way!

It is very simple..... If you like it.... TAKE IT! If you don't THEN DON"T!
Say your opinions then scram! No need for the discussions to get ugly! No one wins an award for being all knowing or being a police anyway.

Vinny shared this move to me tears ago and it does work as a control and a force. You see.... Its really different in the real world. Its also different around magicians... Having said that, it still fooled some magicians.

Vinny..... Thanks for sharing your gifts. I think its best that we keep things in the circle sometimes. Just like old times my friend. Make it available to those who really have a use for it and for those with an open mind.
Remember the good old days when we were just a bunch? When we were just sharing with each other and just jamming with best out there?

You are a good man Vinny... Don't let comments get the better of you! Just let them be! Continue to do great magic and be the helpful Godfather that you are! The Café needs you man!

For the record...Vinny and I don't agree in magic all the time! He knows it!

Oh yeah.... He really is a terrible one finger typist! An amazing speller! AND a stubborn Senior who still prefers the word Rifle!

Peace from Manila! AND I'm outta here!

Rannie

PS See you next year Capo!
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On 2009-11-04 20:40, vinsmagic wrote:
Train I see you just read about magic try perfroming some time ,you might learn something, instead of receiting others.


Oy.

You're WAY out of line, Vinny. Ben Train works -- he doesn't just sit in front of a webcam and sell whatever hand-manipulation diarrhea comes to mind. He tried to do you a favour to save you the embarrassment of building a reputation of repackaging other people's work. This is the response you give him?

If this isn't clear enough to you, send whatever member of La Famiglia you want and I'll explain it to them personally. Capisce?
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Alright, enough already! We're talking magic tricks, and now we're talking (or at least implying) physical violence?
If you KNOW of a source that has the move used the way Vinny does it, tell him. If you don't, why are you even posting about it?

I remember when I sent a book to a guy to review and tell me what he thought about it. after a few days, we talked, and he told me all the things he didn't like about it. As we talked some more, it turned out he hadn't even really read it--just the first few pages.

When The Café started, it was a place where magicians came and encouraged each other. If someone put out something that was a duplication, someone else would say, "That exact same thing appeared in this book, published in this year, on this page." I haven't seen anything remotely like that here.

Other side of the coin: Sometimes you'll explain something just that way to another member, and they have a hissy fit and accuse you of professional jealousy, etc.

People on BOTH sides of the issue in this topic are out of line. It's a bloody card move! It's not murder, it's not the cure for cancer, it's not the solution to world hunger! You don't have to type every single thought that happens to pop into your mind, and thinly veiled threats about physical violence are not only ludicrous, they are offensive and totally unacceptable.

Now I AM done with this thread!
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On 2009-11-05 03:55, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Alright, enough already! We're talking magic tricks, and now we're talking (or at least implying) physical violence? Some of you guys can be very glad I'm not the Chief of Staff here anymore, because your posts would be gone and so would you for a couple of weeks.

If you KNOW of a source that has the move used the way Vinny does it, tell him. If you don't, why are you even posting about it?

I remember when I sent a book to a guy to review and tell me what he thought about it. after a few days, we talked, and he told me all the things he didn't like about it. As we talked some more, it turned out he hadn't even really read it--just the first few pages.

When The Café started, it was a place where magicians came and encouraged each other. If someone put out something that was a duplication, someone else would say, "That exact same thing appeared in this book, published in this year, on this page." I haven't seen anything remotely like that here.

Other side of the coin: Sometimes you'll explain something just that way to another member, and they have a hissy fit and accuse you of professional jealousy, etc.

People on BOTH sides of the issue in this topic are out of line. It's a bloody card move! It's not murder, it's not the cure for cancer, it's not the solution to world hunger! You don't have to type every single thought that happens to pop into your mind, and thinly veiled threats about physical violence are not only ludicrous, they are offensive and totally unacceptable.

Now I AM done with this thread!


No need to get in a twist, Guinn. There's no threat of violence. It's obvious that attempts to make Vinny understand the situation via the Café aren't working, so perhaps something more one-on-one would help.

That said, if you've got an issue with me standing up for a friend who's trying to do the right thing, then pull whatever strings you like. Ben's been the one person here who's tried to handle the issue with grace and class, and I'm not interested in seeing him take abuse for that. If speaking up on his behalf means I've got to get banned, so be it.
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Well, Musgrave, if you hadn't noticed, I'm not on staff anymore and don't have any strings to pull. I'll take you at your word, but your statement sure came across as a threat of violence to me. It's clear it was intended as "talking tough."

And as I said, no one, not you, not Ben (who I am friendly with and have no issues with), nor anyone else has cited WHERE this supposedly exact same thing was published. In point of fact, there is no EVIDENCE of wrong-doing by Vinny at all--just some speculation and generalities. Anyone can say, "That's been done before. you've added nothing new." But unless and until someone can show a book or video or magazine where the same thing was previously published, it's just mud-slinging, pure and simple.

You accused Vinny of being out of line, and he was--just as you were. Seems to me it was you who was "in a twist".
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If this isn't clear enough to you, send whatever member of La Famiglia you want and I'll explain it to them personally. Capisce?


That would not be necessary Andrew! Kindly refrain from making generalized statements about The Famiglia. Just as you would stand up for a friend.... Some of Vinny's would do the same. In various ways. Incidentally, some of us understood right from the very start. This gentleman is one of them. Allow me to say this too... There is no magic mafia or mob! Too childish even for a kid! The Famiglia is just a bunch of people who enjoys magic.

Best from Manila!

Rannie
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And by the way, just for the record:

I am friendly with Rannie, Vinny, Marion, and Tim Feher. But I am not in "La Famiglia." I am also friendly with Ben, Harry Lorayne, and others who have posted in this topic. Haven't actually MET any of them. It's not an issue of taking sides no matter what. It's an issue of making accusations with no evidence to back them up, and piling on. I'd speak out against that if folks were doing that to you, too, Musgrave.
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The guy refers to himself as the Godfather, calls his group La Famiglia, has "sleeping with the fishes..." in his profile, and once chastised a former affiliate who criticized a product of theirs, by saying "you never go against the family" or some similar nonsense. I was only trying to communicate in his language.

Seems to me, somebody who's so proud of their raincoat shouldn't have a problem getting a little rain on it.
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I'm very proud of my rain coat and I'm not afraid of some rain. It seems like you and Ben and others have a problem with me and not my work.
So be a man pm me and tell me what the problem is, but don't try and make me out to be a thief on a public forum.
I am not selling tricks I am selling my all access, which includes some work of others that is in print. Everything I put out has been worked in the real world, and it's not crap as you say.
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Now, can someone tell me what all the fuss is about "La Famiglia" and "Sleeping with the fishes"?

What do these things mean?

They sound a bit sinister.
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You just proved my point is not about a effect and crediting it's about me...
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This is my final post on this subject- truly.

My criticism was directed at the way Vinny handled the information that the move might have been previously invented, not with the actual move itself. It may very well be Vinny's- to bad he didn't bother to check out the resources that had been suggested to him.

His attitude was 1) that people were hating on him and more troublesome 2) "if you have a source send it to me or kiss my ***".

Think about that last point, and how scary the implication are if it were to be followed.

Finally, no need to defend me people. Read the thread. Look at my comments and Vinny's. Think critically about the situation and in the end if it turns out you still disagree with me it shouldn't matter how little, or much, I work (or any of the other ad hominems thrown at me).

I politely tried to tell someone that they might be making a mistake, and was repeatedly insulted. I have pretty thick skin but frankly I'm busy and don't have time for such nonsense, so I am done with this thread.

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I have been speaking with Vinny via PMs and we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.

I'm out.

Enjoy Vinny's work...
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I am 100% confident that some of the things said by some folks on this thread would not dared be said in person. Computers and telephones tend to make a persons balls get larger somehow.
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How true that is.....
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100% that's an awfully certain number.

It sounds like those whose balls are enhanced by a keyboard have just spoken.

I look forward to meeting you and proving you wrong.

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LOL why is everyone so angry so early in the morning. Relax have a drink and if you still have the need to be angry at the world. Have another drink.
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Drinking in the morning! Now THAT is something I can get behind!

I agree, throw some vodka in that OJ.

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See already the anger is leaving all thanks to the sauce
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