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My, the Café is very angry lately..., and it always seems to be about crediting...

I hope I don't get jumped on, for inventing Tilt....
Or as it should be known from now on, tilt1975 Smile
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Ben and J I apologize to both of you I'm a old guy with" Very "thin skin.
I said some mean things to both of you and for this I'm sorry.
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Jay I'll admit that was definitely funny. But...not sure why it tweaked you as my comment was a generalization and not intended at any one member specifically. I just see it more and more lately on more and more threads as well as deal with it in life outside the Café, never in person though where manners usually overshadow arrogance. Perhaps 1 day we will meet.
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I hope we can meet one day Rizzo. I understand that there is a certain amount of power behind a keyboard but I doubt manners is the key to it being suppressed in person. I do think fear of being publicly persecuted is potentially a deterrent. In person I am just as critical of others and my self. I have many many mirrors all around my home some huge (8ft by 4 ft) some small table sized ones and I have a video camera that goes on my TV so I can watch from a plethora of difficult angles to catch with a mirror.

I find it difficult to take in anything sub par that could be remedied and Vin and I have discusses this via PMs. I am a stickler for quality, the self publishing movement is quickly destroying any attempt at quality control. The industrial revolution took a huge chop at consumer quality items now we are faced with a drop in quality production and information.

Sorry for the rant.

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That zenu at least vinny grasped the general over reaction. Rannie, no one was saying anything about not liking the move.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Great force vin! I like!

btw I gotta show you my little take on your giggle force..it might make you giggle!
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*That zenu-thank zenu
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Wow! And I have no more popcorn. You know, not that anyone cares, but I don't know what to say other than for years Vinnie has been a helpful and generous member here at the Café. He has shared numerous free videos of his original works with me and many other members. I don't even get all the fuss...I believe he credited who he thought was appropriate to credit and that's that. The crediting stuff has got way out of hand. If he's wrong, point him to it and I'm sure he'll fix it. In my opinion Vinnie has, and never was, out to rip anyone off. Someone who shares so freely really has nothing to gain. Before someone threatens to break my nose with a dancing cane let me state for the record that I am an idiot.
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Jack,
I think this has been as resolved as it is going to be. For those not directly involved there is much more than this thread. A slew of PMs and choice words, colorful language, wild accusations, etc.

I don't know if this was as much a battle of crediting as people think it is.

J
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On 2009-11-05 14:43, fingerjack wrote:
Wow! And I have no more popcorn. You know, not that anyone cares, but I don't know what to say other than for years Vinnie has been a helpful and generous member here at the Café. He has shared numerous free videos of his original works with me and many other members. I don't even get all the fuss...I believe he credited who he thought was appropriate to credit and that's that. The crediting stuff has got way out of hand. If he's wrong, point him to it and I'm sure he'll fix it. In my opinion Vinnie has, and never was, out to rip anyone off. Someone who shares so freely really has nothing to gain. Before someone threatens to break my nose with a dancing cane let me state for the record that I am an idiot.


I'm with you. I was un-aware of any issue with crediting, that said Vinny has never been anything other than very helpful and generous towards me (and the Café I would imagine).
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On 2009-11-05 14:56, Jay Mahon wrote:
Jack,
I think this has been as resolved as it is going to be. For those not directly involved there is much more than this thread. A slew of PMs and choice words, colorful language, wild accusations, etc.

I don't know if this was as much a battle of crediting as people think it is.

J


Ug, then I'm staying waaaaaaaaaay out of it. All I know is that it's really too bad, and in some strange way, it really makes me sad.
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Shouldn't make you sad, I think everyone was just trying to make things better. Not better like resolved better, better as in improved.

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On 2009-11-05 14:43, fingerjack wrote:
Wow! And I have no more popcorn. You know, not that anyone cares, but I don't know what to say other than for years Vinnie has been a helpful and generous member here at the Café. He has shared numerous free videos of his original works with me and many other members. I don't even get all the fuss...I believe he credited who he thought was appropriate to credit and that's that. The crediting stuff has got way out of hand. If he's wrong, point him to it and I'm sure he'll fix it. . .


That was exactly what someone tried to do actually. Thankfully it seems to be all resolved now.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Vinny - the 'Godfather' etc. now been explained to me. My question was not meant to be disrespectful, so apologies if it came across that way. My impression of you is that you're a sincere and nice guy with a genuine love for magic. I think the hop force is a great idea. All the best to you! Jack
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Jack apologies excepted no hard feelings
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Speaking for myself, as long as I have been on the Café, Vinny has been nothing but generous to me. If he did miss a credit (he's human after all), I find it hard to believe that it was on purpose. Again, I am speaking from my experience with Vinny and am not slamming anyone who doesn't agree. There are a ton of good people here. I have learned a lot here.
I just wanted to speak my piece.
Vinny, thanks for your contribution to magic Vinny and the help you have given me. I hope we get to actually hang out one day.

Peace,
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By the way I received a demo from a reliable source that does not want to get involed
it was a demo of Michael Skinner performing the Hop but it is called the MS SHIFT
I wll have to credit Michael Skinner as well as Harry Lorayne not sure of the date that this was filmed or when it was in print.

however there nothing of the idea of using the MS shift aka Hop was used as a force
vinny
ps I claim nothing execpt for a idea not a creation











Up Date I was informed that Michael did this some 25years ago but he did not use the idea for a force
it was a slo- motion shift the force idea is new idea
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Seems all the fire here wasn't really necessary in light of the further research that has come of it. While the Hop and the Shift have been here (and Vinny never claimed it wasn't here and actually credited the great, Harry Lorayne for the Hop), the use of the move in the way of a card force seems new, as to Vinny's new Unfaithful Force. So as dirt be dug, it seems that the Godfather has come through again with a bit of his extraordinary style of things. That's probably because his intent is always testifiably here pure and good.

So whatever the stew of all this is, there's a bit more in the pot to it now thanks to Vinny...Is this not true? Good job Vin and just keep doing what you do, it's really appreciated much moreso than not.
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I am still surprised there was a "thing" made about this. I don't belive there ever was any accusations made, but plenty of defence against accusations, lol.

Any how, all good to hear. Again, I like the idea. The hop has lots of potential, and I am surprised so little has been done with it.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Well this should be called "The Hop force" then right? "Force with The Hop"?
I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end...
I came here...
To tell you how this is going to begin.
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