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I have met people in the field of mentalism and CR who are atheists, agnooostics, ex-relious, avidly religious, and who have non-specific a-religious beliefs in some sort of spiritual matrix or connectivity between elements of the natural world. In other words, it is my experience that personal belief systems do not delimit the type of work a professional can do in the fields of psychic entertainment, counselling, and mentalism.

At the risk of sounding Pollyanna-ish, it is my hope that whatever our beliefs, we can agree to discuss techniques, tips, and strategies for maximizing our professional careers without descending to rude oppositional sarcasm or wasting each others' time on foolish attempts to "convert" one another to some supposed "orthodoxy" of the profession.

According to the conventional skeptical POV, I am a "believer" -- but I see nothing wrong with using CR, stacks, forces, and other professional techniques as a tool of shamanic therapy in a Spiritualist Church or private reading venue.

In fact, as far as I know, the use of secret techniques that induce belief and confidence while attempting to engage the placebo effect is traditional in most religious and social professions, and any atheist who thinks that the knowledge and use of such techniques constitutes "charlatanry" is simply unfamiliar with the true history of the world's varied religious, medical, social service, psychotherapeutic, and legal professions.
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On 2009-11-26 14:23, julieannjohnson wrote:
I have met people in the field of mentalism and CR who are atheists, agnooostics, ex-relious, avidly religious, and who have non-specific a-religious beliefs in some sort of spiritual matrix or connectivity between elements of the natural world. In other words, it is my experience that personal belief systems do not delimit the type of work a professional can do in the fields of psychic entertainment, counselling, and mentalism.

At the risk of sounding Pollyanna-ish, it is my hope that whatever our beliefs, we can agree to discuss techniques, tips, and strategies for maximizing our professional careers without descending to rude oppositional sarcasm or wasting each others' time on foolish attempts to "convert" one another to some supposed "orthodoxy" of the profession.

According to the conventional skeptical POV, I am a "believer" -- but I see nothing wrong with using CR, stacks, forces, and other professional techniques as a tool of shamanic therapy in a Spiritualist Church or private reading venue.

In fact, as far as I know, the use of secret techniques that induce belief and confidence while attempting to engage the placebo effect is traditional in most religious and social professions, and any atheist who thinks that the knowledge and use of such techniques constitutes "charlatanry" is simply unfamiliar with the true history of the world's varied religious, medical, social service, psychotherapeutic, and legal professions.


I'd like to nominate Julieann's post here as one of the best, if not THE single greatest (!) post I've ever read here at the Magic Café. You've put this topic into words I've always felt but had a hard time expressing so eloquently and perfectly. If it were up to me this post would be made a 'Sticky' at the top of the forum.

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On 2009-11-26 14:23, julieannjohnson wrote:

According to the conventional skeptical POV, I am a "believer" -- but I see nothing wrong with using CR, stacks, forces, and other professional techniques as a tool of shamanic therapy in a Spiritualist Church or private reading venue.



Huh? Did I actually read that correctly?
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Probably not Smile

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On 2009-11-26 14:23, julieannjohnson wrote:
I have met people in the field of mentalism and CR who are atheists, agnooostics, ex-relious, avidly religious, and who have non-specific a-religious beliefs in some sort of spiritual matrix or connectivity between elements of the natural world. In other words, it is my experience that personal belief systems do not delimit the type of work a professional can do in the fields of psychic entertainment, counselling, and mentalism.

At the risk of sounding Pollyanna-ish, it is my hope that whatever our beliefs, we can agree to discuss techniques, tips, and strategies for maximizing our professional careers without descending to rude oppositional sarcasm or wasting each others' time on foolish attempts to "convert" one another to some supposed "orthodoxy" of the profession.

According to the conventional skeptical POV, I am a "believer" -- but I see nothing wrong with using CR, stacks, forces, and other professional techniques as a tool of shamanic therapy in a Spiritualist Church or private reading venue.

In fact, as far as I know, the use of secret techniques that induce belief and confidence while attempting to engage the placebo effect is traditional in most religious and social professions, and any atheist who thinks that the knowledge and use of such techniques constitutes "charlatanry" is simply unfamiliar with the true history of the world's varied religious, medical, social service, psychotherapeutic, and legal professions.


most of what you write I agree with. I do not believe in any religious stuff but in capitalism. so it is all about the benefit of the client. 30% of peoples medical probs can be served with placebos. for some this is a pill, for some this is psi-energie, hoodoo or whatever. when client and seller are in a win-win situation: who wantz to state probz?

so my conclusion is that it is the best to inspire each other:

on the one hand using technics to inhance the believe system to achieve a high level of placebo effect for the client to befit the most he can get for his money. (technical inspiration)

on the other hand to inspire each other in a way to question each other. this has a higher need for tolerance like abe lincoln said: chritiziserz are our friendz: they show us our week pointz. (philosophical inspiration)
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On 2009-11-26 14:23, julieannjohnson wrote:
I have met people in the field of mentalism and CR who are atheists, agnooostics, ex-relious, avidly religious, and who have non-specific a-religious beliefs in some sort of spiritual matrix or connectivity between elements of the natural world. In other words, it is my experience that personal belief systems do not delimit the type of work a professional can do in the fields of psychic entertainment, counselling, and mentalism.

At the risk of sounding Pollyanna-ish, it is my hope that whatever our beliefs, we can agree to discuss techniques, tips, and strategies for maximizing our professional careers without descending to rude oppositional sarcasm or wasting each others' time on foolish attempts to "convert" one another to some supposed "orthodoxy" of the profession.

According to the conventional skeptical POV, I am a "believer" -- but I see nothing wrong with using CR, stacks, forces, and other professional techniques as a tool of shamanic therapy in a Spiritualist Church or private reading venue.

In fact, as far as I know, the use of secret techniques that induce belief and confidence while attempting to engage the placebo effect is traditional in most religious and social professions, and any atheist who thinks that the knowledge and use of such techniques constitutes "charlatanry" is simply unfamiliar with the true history of the world's varied religious, medical, social service, psychotherapeutic, and legal professions.


Julieann.....Thank you, for you've taken my thoughts and feelings about what can be a very complex subject, and have articulated them most eloquently.....You truly have "The Gift"..... Smile

All the best, And a belated Happy Thanksgiving to All....

Mark
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Julieannjohnson:

I'm not fully convinced that 'me,too'ism is necessarily a useful pastime , but I really do have to agree with the positive assessments of your 26 Nov posting! So very well said!
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