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konjurer
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I need a recommendation on a gaffed coin or coin set. I'm looking to expand my gaffed coins beyond my simple scotch and soda set. I'm not a coin worker although I have spent quality time with Bobo's so I have some skills with coins. I do a matrix but I'm looking to add another visual coin routine to set.

I'm looking for coin(s) that can be versatle for several routines. I really, realy like the 3 Fly routines so a set to help with that routine might be good. The TUC seems pretty versatle. I've seen the Mark Mason coins recently at a convention and I was very impressed with the range of effects that were possible. My budget is under $100 give or take a little.

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Hi there,
I guess your question is kind of relative to the kinds of effects you like to do specificly but if I had to make a recomendation to you it would probably be to invest in a Johnson expanded S***L and maybe a DVD like Troy Hoosers Shell Shocked(even though it comes with a s***l its really poor quality).Also a Copper/Silver coin and a Sun/Moon.You can also get some AMAZING info from the NY Coin Magic Seminar DVD's if you need some help taking you further.Oh and anything by Doug Brewer you cant go wrong with.Just my 2cents.I am sure you will get other opinions.
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Normally, I do my own research and decision making when deciding on new prop but there are sooo many gaffed coin sets out there I was really overwhelmed. I like visual effects like a 3 fly but I'm open to anything. Quality is a factor but I've got budget.

Let me put it this way, you're being banished to a desert island of full of spectators. You can only take one gaffed coin or coin set with you and you've got $100-125 to spend. What do you take?
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Eric Johnson
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I guess I would say that the best bang for your buck and the "Set" I would take with me on that island would be a Hopping Half set.The coins it comes with are basicly the ones I already recommended.You can get a lot of differnt gaffed coins but most are specialty coins for a few particular tricks or effects but you could take a Hopping Half set and some sound thinking and come up with ,well the possible effects are pretty much limited to you.Once again just my opinion.
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Maybe a s---l set with matching flipper,and c/s coin
Lots of possabilities here.
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I'd say a good quality shell, a few silver coins a few copper coins and some good reference material. The New York coin DVD set is beyond superb, Rubenstein (who regularly drops by here and is extremely helpful), Roth, Gallo... cant go wrong. Homer Liwag has some beautiful coin work on DVD, Curtis Kam's book "pocket book" is great as it's not routines but a book of ideas... The Kenner book "Totally out of control" has enough coin work to keep you busy for a while...

personally Im not a fan of hopping halves or scotch and soda and lean more towards more open ended gaffs (shells, c/s) - my thinking is if you have 100 bucks to spend, get the most mileage from it with a versatile prop (shell) and reference material...

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I recommend a Hopping half with Expanded shell (Johnson and Tango I think) and 1 TUC Silver/Silver and if you have some money left 1 TUC C/S.
Flipper is a nice to have but I think the other coins are more versatile.
Of course you need matching regular coins, the ones above that I have are regular Kennedy 1/2 and English pennies.

One more option will be a CSB, but with the ones aboveand good routines you have more than enough to get busy for a long time.
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I second the Copper, Silver, Brass. Lots of good routines for it, fairly easy sleights and very impressive results. Well within your price range.

If you love the 3-fly's but don't have the talent yet for MB's, bump up your minimum and get Come Fly With Me (Mark Mason).

That's my two cents.
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One more vote for Copper-Silver-Brass. Check John Bannon's work with this gaff, along with James Lewis' - there's some good stuff there.
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He's got a budget of 100 bucks - Come Fly With Me is quite a bit more and it's a one-trick pony. Better yet get 6 real coins and a Slydini book and you'll get so much more mileage! I guarantee you if you work through Kenner's book, a Slydini book or even the New York Coin Magic series you'll not only be a much better magician but will find Scotch and Soda very limiting. Hopping Halves is convenient in that it inherently includes a few useful gaffs I suppose although I'm not a fan for the reason that the gaffs are "thin" because of the very nature of HH.

Ruldar - Just out of curiosity you said we weren't yet ready for MB's 3Fly but recommend CFWM - do you use CFWM? CFWM is gaffed to the hilt sure and nullifies the need for certain sleights but I'd say using gaffs to make up for skill is a bad road to travel. Consider learning the sleights well then adding gaffs to make miracles. Not criticizing here - not my place or business - just offering some perspective after seeing a lot of coin guys over the years.
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The Johnson Hopping Halves set is nice but I think Id go with an expanded shell, a flipper, and half a dozen matching coins. All of my Kennedy half gimmicks are from Johnson and I have been very happen with them. All my gimmicks are clad (not silver) so you can pick up matching coins at the bank or a coin shop pretty easily and for next to nothing. A Johnson flipper is only $35 and the clad expanded shell is also $35. If your looking for more material to study after Bobo, Id recommend checking out David Roth's Expert Coin Magic book. I think it is about $60.
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Go with what lithyem says.
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I would say go to the magic warehouse and pickup a a real silver 1964 kennedy shell and a copper silver coin.

Then go to a coin shop and get 5, 1964 kennedys (for 6 bucks each)and caouple english pennies for 50 cents each.

then pick up a copy extream dean... and should be good to go.

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Tango's T.U.C. will open up a whole new set of possibilities for you. Just decide if you want to use half-dollars or Ikes, to stay within your budget. Or go for it and get a T.U.C. in a Morgan silver dollar form. I have an Ike, 2 modern half dollars and a British copper penny, all in T.U.C.s. I think I like the Ike best. It's the one that never fails to leave the house with me, where ever I go. It almost works itself. T.U.C.s have a real shallow learning curve, but the routining you can learn or figure out yourself is awesome and never ending. After I get a few more Ikes, I want to get a T.U.C. copper/silver Ike using a Sudbury II penny as the half and half part of the gaff. That will be super to have for my use (and an extra Sudbury II penny or 2).

Mr. Tango can make a T.U.C. anyway you want it. You just have to send in specialized coins for raw material if he doesn't have them.


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All great suggestions - thanks guys! I do like the T.U.C. suggestions - Is one enough to put together some good routines or do you suggest two of the same coin?

I would love the CFWM but out of my price range at the moment. Does Mark Mason make anything in my price range worth getting?

I do like Lithyem's suggestions - I like versatile props and reference material

BCIII - what is the name of Bannon's work with the copper-silver-brass?

I've made a list of all the suggestions so far and now to go do some more research.

Don't be afraid to post more suggestions.

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On 2009-11-05 17:31, konjurer wrote:
BCIII - what is the name of Bannon's work with the copper-silver-brass?

Mystery on the (Aztec) Orient Express; it's in his Smoke and Mirrors.

James Lewis' Foreign Exchange is on his Million Dollar Mysteries. He has a C/S/B Spellbound on there as well, but it's not explained.
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These are all good advices, expanded shell, and Copper,Silver,Brass, gives you all kinds of possibilities
Kevin Gardner
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The gimlet style, "Karate coin" or a jumbo coin.

Either one provides an excellent climax for any effect.
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On 2009-11-14 22:27, Kevin Gardner wrote:
The gimlet style, "Karate coin" or a jumbo coin.

Either one provides an excellent climax for any effect.


That is just not true. For some effects, maybe...
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If going with halves get a couple of steel shimmed ones. Ma magnet on the chest or sleeve can allow for many 'hooked coin' effects or easy steals.
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