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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
We are not criticising you for wanting to help. We are criticising your idea as impractical. We are also criticising your shrill defense of the idea when it has already been shown to be impractical. You don't have to shout, we heard you and then we disagreed. Screeching it won't make us suddenly go "Oh, now that he's shouting perhaps I should reconsider."
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I can imagine the W.H.O. collectivly hitting themself in the forehead and saying "WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT"?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Slartibartfast Loyal user Southern Illinois 230 Posts |
DNFTT
If you can pull it off in a biker bar without being violated by a corn dog, more power to you.
-- Gwyd, the Unusual "YOUR Signature...speaks volumns (sic) as to your lack of understanding." --T.V. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2009-11-11 07:25, entermagic wrote: Quote:
On Nov 11, 2009 12:53pm, Slartibartfast wrote: What I find highly offensive on these threads is the continuing dismissal of the people who have been affected by this virus. I'm not an epidemiologist- I have no proposal to submit, except that this is not a non-problem, by any means. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
There have been many people who are ill and dead from this. It is a horrible thing. It should NEVER be glossed over you are right.
This "cure" for it, would probably be a bigger problem than the original one. I think the idea of trolling for a fight with this subject itself is sort of sick.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Slartibartfast Loyal user Southern Illinois 230 Posts |
I can't seem to say anything relating to H1N1 without somehow offending magicalaurie. Let me see if I can carefully explain my position without offending you once again.
I am not dismissing the tragedy of anyone's death. I have been touched personally by this more times than I care to count, and each and every time it hurts. What I am dismissing is (pay attention now) the panic over the H1N1 virus. It is, relatively speaking, a non-problem. As I have pointed out elsewhere, the death toll from this so-called plague on humanity is dwarfed by the deaths from other sources. Most of these are lifestyle related and easily preventable. More lives could be saved by focusing on these causes than if they could totally and completely eliminate the H1N1 virus from the face of the earth. As an example, note that 600,000 people die from heart disease alone. Let's say that lifestyle changes could save 1 out of 100 people (an extremely conservative number considering a 30% obesity rate) - that is 6,000 people that could be saved every year just on that one cause alone. Even taking into account the revised number, that is more than half again the number that have died from H1N1 so far - 4 times the number if you go by the earlier counts. And yet, what do people panic about? The reason for this is the constant barrage of PANIC from the media, who are not concerned with public health but instead are only interested in viewers. Telling people to stay calm and recognize that this is just another round of the flu like we have every year does not get eyeballs. ZOMG WE IS ALL GONNA DIE does. And the sheeple respond. The real tragedy is that people ignore the places where they could easily extend their lives and prevent major causes of death, and focus on something where they have a .001% chance of death from. In my book, that makes it a non-problem relative to what they should be worried about. If this still offends you, then I am sorry.
If you can pull it off in a biker bar without being violated by a corn dog, more power to you.
-- Gwyd, the Unusual "YOUR Signature...speaks volumns (sic) as to your lack of understanding." --T.V. |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
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On 2009-11-12 17:09, entermagic wrote: The problem is in your thinking. You think the virus is just going to go away if everyone stays in? It's not. Perhaps and this is a big MAYBE if there were no swine in the world where this flu came came from and is still being produced by it (yes it's a diff strain but it's still there.) Maybe could wipe it out. But even then that would be a very very doubtful. The virus would more then likely keep reproducing as the older crop of the virus died off. Therefore it is not even a little likely your proposal would work. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2009-11-12 20:00, Slartibartfast wrote: I think you might be talking apples and oranges here. Cardiac disease and its prevention has received and continues to receive much focus from the media. This virus is generally striking a different demographic and has caused decline and death at very rapid rates from time of onset. People are being ambushed by this disease. The fact that the number is smaller, makes it no less significant. A life lost unecessarily is one too many. I don't endorse panic. But consider the possibility that complacent attitudes could well be contributing to stories like this one. His wife is a doctor, apparently: http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/200......356.html |
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Slartibartfast Loyal user Southern Illinois 230 Posts |
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On 2009-11-12 23:13, magicalaurie wrote: Good points. So, do you think that perhaps the perception of the magnitude of the problem could be distorted by the demographic being afflicted? Meaning that the group that seems to be hardest hit by this is a group that traditionally sees themselves as immortal? (No offense meant - I was immortal at that age, too.) Young, healthy people can generally overlook flu fatalities in the past because it usually happened to Old People. Once it started hitting their peers, then suddenly they are forced to face their own mortality, causing a panic and a Demand for Action.
If you can pull it off in a biker bar without being violated by a corn dog, more power to you.
-- Gwyd, the Unusual "YOUR Signature...speaks volumns (sic) as to your lack of understanding." --T.V. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I think this virus seems unpredictable, mainly. I don't have fine-tuned statistics on it, who does? Who will? I'm not sure it's sticking to specific ages, necessarily. But its range from mild symptoms to rapidly fatal may be leaving people confused about how to react, I think.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Maybe people should calm down and educate themselves. The basic reproduction number of H1N1 is estimated to be about 1.5 to 2. Go find out what that means, then decide how much you need to worry.
And try to be respectful of those around you, too. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2009-11-12 23:58, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I think I saw a number rise there, John. Quote:
Magnus Eisengrim wrote: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_88726.html Quote:
I do try. I work at that best I can, every day. Very best wishes, all. Laurie |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Want to really see a panic? Find something that targets the media. Oh, they like to talk a good scare, but they panic quickly when the shoe's on the other foot.
If a reporter or two were hospitalized with H1N1, it'd get so much press, you'd think it was Captain Trips from Stephen King's "The Stand".
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Magicalaurie: you are always respectful. Sorry that my message hit the wrong person.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So who exactly is causing the hysteria anyhow? Just curious. Is it average every day people?
They are the ones who get worked up into a frenzy right, not the ones who actually do it in the first place? We can only work on what we are told, and when what we are told has an agenda it is tough to fight through the muck to find what is the truth. It is frustrating especially when you are hit with what happens personally.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Who's causing the hysteria? You touched on it yourself- the media. Our media is neither liberal nor conservative, except when it suits them. They are corporatist.
"Breaking- white students hospitalized with horrible new disease after trip to Mexico!" "Breaking- new disease spreading like wildfire, dozens of school closures!" "Breaking- deaths in Mexico City rumored to be in the millions!" I wonder how much the stock in the company that makes Tamiflu has risen? - "Is the new vaccine safe?... I'd suggest you think seriously before you get it." - "Did you get vaccinated?" - "I think that's a personal question, so I'm not going to say." And sales for ventilators and other medical supplies go way up. (On a side note, those who publicly and purposely spread misinformation about vaccines should be held responsible for every death that could have been prevented by vaccination.) When you're keeping people glued to the television/radio/news sites in mortal terror, you're also making sure they see a lot more commercials. It's really good for ratings and the bottom line.
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
* = Take any advice from this person with a grain of salt. |
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Slartibartfast Loyal user Southern Illinois 230 Posts |
Personally I blame the media. Fear sells. Keep Calm and Carry On does not capture eyeballs the same way that "SWINE FLU DEATHS ROCK THE COUNTRY" does.
Last year 34,017 people died in traffic accidents alone in the US - almost 100 people a day (some of my close friends were among them). However, this is old news - we are accustomed to the risks of driving and accept it as normal. If it gets mentioned at all, it is on local coverage and mainly related to how it affected traffic during this morning's commute. The only people who are aware of who died are the family and friends. But if someone in Ottawa dies from H1N1, it is blasted across the world for all of us to share. Is it sad? Absolutely - my heart goes out to those left behind. Does it deserve international attention? Probably not, but that is what sells. Once people realize that H1N1 is just another flu with somewhat lower risk of death than other strains, then we will again accept it as normal and the media will be off to find other things to scare us with. Edit: I posted the same time as EsnRedshirt. He said it better.
If you can pull it off in a biker bar without being violated by a corn dog, more power to you.
-- Gwyd, the Unusual "YOUR Signature...speaks volumns (sic) as to your lack of understanding." --T.V. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
All viruses are undpredictable with our current technology. That's interesting though. What if we could precisely predict viral gene mutation far in advance?
Wouldn't that be cool? I mean, they can track certain patterns, like when they cycle AIDS medicine so that the mutations for resistance become dormant again. But what if we could predict everything well enough to stop it? Man. That'd be sweet. Right now they just evolve too freakin' fast.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Bill Nuvo Inner circle 3094 Posts or 2742 Posts |
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On 2009-11-13 12:25, critter wrote: You said the E word |
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