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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Again, the demo does not show enough of the actual performance. I more concerned about how one is able to derive the "thought" and how it is applied to the paper in the open or if the thought is forced somehow. Would be nice to actually see a full performance as usual. Maybe they feel that will "expose" the method to magicians, but I don't buy secrets anyway, I buy effects that I know I can use. This video does not tell me whether I can use it or not. So I am less likely to buy it anyway until I see a lot of reviews.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Well, technically, the ad copy is false. It claims no chemicals are added to the paper.
Water is a chemical.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Bill Abbott Veteran user 351 Posts |
Hey Guys,
Richard and I wanted to jump on here to give you a clearer idea of what Liquify is all about. Liquify is based on an obscure principle that has been around for hundreds of years. There have been references to this method in a handful of places but each reference suffered from only a brief and unclear explanation of how to set it up and carry it out effectively. We wanted to breathe new life into this brilliant effect, make it practical and show how to make it ‘play’ for a real world audience. On the DVD, you will learn, step by step how to prepare this in minutes, where to use it, how to present it, as well as the psychology behind the presentation. We also feature complete live performances of the effect. In addition we also teach you a new portable method where you can gimmick paper in any environment, instantly. Just to be clear Liquify is not a real time prediction. We go into great detail on the DVD to teach you, what we believe, is the finest method of forcing, what apparently, is a random image in the spectator’s mind. What is truly incredible is that the paper can be examined before, during and after the effect. The spectator can handle the paper throughout the effect, minutely examine it, even hold it up to the brightest of lights, and they will discover nothing. Liquify is a strange and beautiful way to turn a simple revelation into something spectacular. Sincerely, Bill |
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prizna New user 44 Posts |
Will the portable version of liquify be able to be examined up against light?
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rockthemike Special user Seattle 695 Posts |
Can we borrow the paper and prepare it under the spec's nose?
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AUTOMATIC MYSTERY New user Canada 11 Posts |
Prinza, the portable version is examinable as well.
Rockthemike, the effect is not done in real time, it must be prepared in advance, even 30 seconds in advance to really be effective. The possibility to do it in real time is there for the portable method but you would have to play around with it to find a solution that works for you. On the DVD we do not present it nor describe it as a real time device. The real benefit of the portable version is that you can set it up wherever you are, at a friends house on his/her "to do list" on the fridge, at a restaurant on a paper place mat, on a poster at work, school etc. Here's a few ways that Bill and I have used this. When we were in the development stages of the effect we went out to meet a few fellow magicians. I had one of them choose a card and I asked him to concentrate on it. I asked him to imagine his glass of water as a crystal ball and to focus his thoughts into it. I told him that his thought was now trapped in the water. I reached over and tore a corner from his place mat. I handed it to him and asked him to slowly dip it into the water. Right before his eyes, his thought materialized on the paper...FROM HIS PLACE MAT, IN HIS GLASS OF WATER! The reaction was unlike anything I had experienced before. The magician was speechless, I mean like, lost, looking off into space for a few moments, kinda speechless. When we tried this on a few laymen, they actually got kind of scared. The effect in their mind was almost as if they had just experienced real magic. There is something so pure and organic about the paper and water, for the person watching, it's like you are manipulating the elements. Bill did the same thing at a friend's house but instead of a place mat he gimmicked his friend's "TO DO LIST" on the fridge and went from there. Same kind of reactions. We hope this helps. |
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Vorezo Loyal user 248 Posts |
If someone watches you set up will it look really suspious or somewhat normal?
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Is there any chance of failure with the protection?
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Todd Bernard Loyal user 263 Posts |
Here's a few questions. How long have you guys been performing this? PB60 is still getting reviews and you guys already have another product out so fast. How long have you guys played with this before marketing it? Do you guys even use this in your own acts? I know I'm an *** for asking these legit questions but someone has too.(lol)
p.s. lol, seriously, did you two guys really need to team up to come up with these new versions of old tricks? Or, dare I say did you guys figure the novelty of you two joining forces would help market them? If I came up with something that I thought was something that got superb reactions the last thing I'd want to do is put it on the market right away. There was a time when magicians invented a trick so they could stand out from everyone else. It made them unique. It was what seperated them from everyone else. That's what one of the goals of the magician was, to stay one step a head, and to be able to do something that their peers couldn't do. This whole new concept of sitting around and coming up with tricks just to sell is something I didn't grow up with. We had more respect for ourselves and the art than that. Maybe I'm old fashioned, and this is what the new and younger folks are wanting, but I just don't get it. |
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The Mac Inner circle 1982 Posts |
Did some posts disappear?
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Todd Bernard Loyal user 263 Posts |
No, Bill edited his original post from, "Busted.(lol)" to the post he has now. Other than that, if any posts would of been deleted, I'm sure mine would of been the first.(lol)
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Hey guys,
Wanted to post a quick review about Liquify since several people have asked. Effect Someone thinks of a word, a card, an image... or virtually anything really. You then have them concentrate on a glass of water, sending their thought into the glass. Grabbing whatever paper seems handy you rip off a piece and dip it into the water- their image appears on the paper. Everything examinable before and after the trick happens. So, thoughts. I called ******** when Automatic Mystery advertised that "Absolutely nothing is applied to the paper. (No chemicals, no lemon juice, nothing)". So, I contacted them. I watched the video. Guess what? Nothing is added or taken away from the paper! First though, the trick itself. There is not much that needs to be said here- you can see the effect on the demo. An image appears on a piece of paper dipped in water. What Bill and Richard have done, or added, is the following: 1. Two methods. One that can be done on the fly and one that needs prep. Both are interesting. And, yes, one works by adding nothing to, or taking anything away, from the paper. The method is sorta magical in itself! 2. The paper is completely examinable. Other versions of this used chemicals and things that you could see if you held the paper up to the light. With Liquify this isn't a problem. Also, since there are no chemicals you can dip it into a drink without poisoning anyone (assuming they wanted to finish their drink anyway!). I've been playing with it for the past couple of days now and have two interesting routine ideas for it which I can share if people are interested. I wanted to try it tonight at my gigs but it was the wrong type of venue (really didn't want to dip it in expensive wine...). I'm going out with friends tomorrow though so I'll try it then. If the trick looks like something you'd be interested in, then do yourself a favor and pick this up. Ben p.s. You don't have to dip the paper IN the drink. You can pour a little of the drink onto the paper.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Also, I'll answer some questions.
One of the methods you can set up right in front of people. You wouldn't want to draw attention to it, but I did it in front of some people today and it didn't raise any flags (I did wait about 20 minutes before performing the thing though...). The good news is I can prepare about 10 of them in 3 minutes or so. So, not much prep time! Ben
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Nice review. Thank you Ben!
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On 2009-12-07 21:49, Ben Train wrote: I would love to know your routine ideas/ thoughts. It will be great if you can please post them (without exposing the method) here. Thanks. Quote:
On 2009-12-07 21:57, Ben Train wrote: This is a great advantage & selling point over the other methods. Thanks again for an honest review.
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magicduro Special user Las Vegas 529 Posts |
What are your thoughts about the force techniques?
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
For cards the forces are pretty simplistic, but still good ones. The criss-cross force (which is a great force) and Al Koran's (or maybe Holden's) handling of the same thing. The latter I'm not a huge fan of for this trick, but it's a good force for, say, an ACAAN...
The book force is a wonderful book force, and while it's not new it's definitely a workable idea. When I played with using Liquify as a card revelation I used the criss-cross force. And, since it's a good segue I'll share my first handling (this is the least interesting, and least creative, of the several I've been playing with). You shuffle then cards then have someone cut the pack for a selection. Before they look at the card you show you have an envelope on the table- and turning it over it says "prediction". You explain you have predicted the card they will have freely chosen. They turn over their card and you say "perfect! It worked again!" and tell them to look inside the envelope. They do and find... a blank piece of paper. They look at you quizzically. "Let me explain," you say, "this isn't JUST a blank piece of paper- it was a piece of paper that they were going to print the 6 of hearts on! I grabbed it before they were finished printing it! It's a collectors item... you don't believe me do you? Well, I'll prove it- all we have to do is develop it..." And you know the rest. The first inspiration came from a Ricky Jay piece in which he shows a prediction written in another language, which later changes to English. I loved the idea of having a "silly" prediction and then making good on it. As far as presentations go, I played with a bunch. One that I liked was talking about how specific pieces of paper could only be used to print specific cards, since trees have a specific playing card property just like we have hair or eye color. Then you offer to prove it using the water- the trees lifeforce. I gave up on the idea pretty quickly though because a) it didn't fit my character and b) just not believable enough. Sure most people won't believe the unprinted card premise, but it's MORE believable then it being "in a trees nature" to posses a single playing card. Anyway, the premise justifies the dunking in water, the introducing of the paper, and provides the time misdirection for the criss-cross force. I hope you like it. Ben p.s. The rest of the ideas are NON card. I'd love to hear any ideas you guys have.
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Ladd New user 19 Posts |
Would this work on paper currency?
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Martin Waring Loyal user York, England 254 Posts |
Could you prepare multiple outs on different areas of a sheet of paper and depending on the out you need, rip off the appropriate section of paper to dunk in the water for your reveal?
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theboywonder Loyal user Scarborough, Ontario, Canada 228 Posts |
I haven't watched the DVD yet, but has anyone had problems downloading the free PDF that is offered on their website? When I click on the "Liquify" link, it won't give me the free PDF option where I type in the unique code that came with my disc . . .
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2009-12-10 15:59, Martin Waring wrote: One of my presentation makes use of this idea. So yes, you can. And, yes, it works on many different types of paper stocks, but some work better then others. Haven't tried it on a bill yet though- interesting idea.
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