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David Fogel New user Minneapolis, Minnesota 87 Posts |
I've been working on the pass for over 15 years. I do the classic pass and the jiggle pass very quickly -- but every once in a while the top packet sort of 'hangs up' during the shift. And I still have trouble covering it.
My question for those who do the pass: what is the best piece of technical advice that you were given about this move? Did anything in particular push you 'over the hump'?
davidfogel@attbi.com
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MattSedlak Regular user 162 Posts |
The thing that I was told that really helped improve the way I thought about the pass was to make it smooth first. Once it looked smooth and natural then work on speed which will come on it's own.
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mikeB New user UK 84 Posts |
Can anyone give a good reference for learning the pass? Book or video.
Many thanks
Cheers
Mike Your Reality Is A Figment Of My Imagination |
Ray Eldard New user Phoenix, AZ 90 Posts |
I don't use the Pass, but Richard Kaufman has an entire video dedicated to it which I believe is aptly titled "The Pass Video." You'll also find info on it in Card College.
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Burt Yaroch Inner circle Dallas,TX 1097 Posts |
It's actually called "On The Pass", I believe. Just thought the other might give a search engine a hic-up. Probably not.
Yakworld.
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MattSedlak Regular user 162 Posts |
Which type of pass do you want to learn? From there we can give you a better reference, but there are passes in Expert Card Tchnique through Card College. Basically any book devoted solely to cards and some that have a mix usually have something on the pass in them.
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Luke Dancy Inner circle Las Vegas 1157 Posts |
Ken Krenzel and James Swain are two others that explain various passes in video format. Ken Krenzel goes over several in Volume 4 "The Pass" in his video series. James Swain goes over them in all 3 volumes of his Miracles with Cards videotapes. Volume 1 seems to contain the most material and some great card magic as well.
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David Fogel New user Minneapolis, Minnesota 87 Posts |
Mike B-
To learn the pass, I highly recommend Kaufman's video "On the Pass". I do not recommend Krenzel's video for learning purposes. While Krenzel is incredible, he doesn't focus on teaching. Rather, he focuses on showing how well he does several different passes.
davidfogel@attbi.com
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts |
Perhaps it's the speed at which you're attempting the move that is the source or your problems. No pass is ever invisible due to speed alone, in my opinion. In fact, I'd rank speed as pretty low on the list of what does make a pass deceptive. Much higher on the list are smoothness (of course), and an understanding of spectator line of sight, angles, and timing.
I don't think that any book, video, or single piece of advice will have a transforming effect on the quality of your pass. Breakthroughs are the result of a lot of practice in front of a mirror, and happen right there in your hands. Probably the best advice I'd want to give someone on the pass is that once you "get" it, you need to maintain it. The muscle memory fades surprisingly quickly. So practice it every day, even after it's looking great. It will only get better, and you'll be less liable to lose it.
Ben Blau
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mikeB New user UK 84 Posts |
Many thanks for the advice and references chaps. Now down to some serious practice.
Cheers
Mike Your Reality Is A Figment Of My Imagination |
p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
Hi,
I found one of Jay Sankeys video's to be useful for learning a riffle pass. Unfortunately I cannot remember the title. Although Kaufman's video is good and he does a good fast pass. Io me, he always looks as if he is trying to stangle the deck, he has a very firm grip on it and to me it tells that he plans on doing something. This could just be a video thing mind you, but I preffered Sankeys softer, no attention to what he is doing approach. Phillip |
Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
Philip, I believe the Sankey reference you mean is his "Sankeytized II" video (correct me if I'm wrong). He spends about 10 mins chatting about the pass and gives some useful advice. I personally found it more useful than the Kaufman tape. He talks about the two flashpoints during the pass, how to cover it with the dip, an interesting left thumb placement to distract from the flash and some issues about smoothness.
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Munskin Loyal user Cheshire, UK 297 Posts |
I'm no master of the pass, but one of the best tips given to me was to perform an exagerated pass, making sure the packs never come into contact, and also that they made no noise. This kind of burns into my mind how a pass should feel.
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nathanmorris New user UK 56 Posts |
I would say do an easier pass such as the turnover, I always use it and imoh opinion its the most deceptive.
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Why are you resurrecting a 10 year old thread? Is it to bump up your post count?
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2013-01-12 07:55, Claudio wrote: He is necroing a few threads Claudio. Could be legit or it could be to reach the vaunted 50 post limit possibly for Secret Sessions and/or for voting in a couple of awards going on. |
Gary T. Veteran user 375 Posts |
I find that the important thing about the pass is not speed. speed is definitely something to work on, but should not be your first concern, work on doing it cleanly and silently, that's the important part, silently, if you do a slow pass it takes all of a second, so you only need a tiny bit of misdirection. and because it's silent nobody suspects a thing.
the only reason a packet should "hang up" is if you let them slide across each other, don't do that, it makes noise, the packets should pass close by each other but they should not touch or slide across each other, work on getting it perfect and silent when you do it slow, then just practice that over and over and over and don't try to push the speed, let it build on it's own as your fingers get used to doing it correctly. Practice does not make perfect. Practice makes permanent. |
Magic Pierre Loyal user 212 Posts |
Wow. It never occured to me that somone would actually resurrect a thread to reach 50 posts. My first appearance on the Café was a post I started with a question about flash paper. Do people really get so hung up about hitting 50 that they will actually dig back and open uo a 10 year old thread? Seems like just posting to top of the topic threads or coming up with your own questions would be much easier.
Personally, the pass is such a fundamental technique that it seems very likely that a new person would be digging around here for information about it. I've been intending to study the pass and start to work on mastering it myself as soon as I get the splint off my finger (2.5 weeks more to go. Yay!). That being so I might well have resurrected this thread myself. This is just a superficial thought though. After watching a couple of episodes of "Mystery Diners" on food network, I am definitely convinced that more people are shady than I ever wanted to imagine... |
Ramin Regular user 119 Posts |
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On 2013-01-12 07:55, Claudio wrote: It's kind of funny. People complain when someone starts a new thread on a common topic, saying that he should search for existing threads. Then here is someone that obviously did some searching and he gets yelled at too. |
Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 380 Posts |
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On 2013-01-14 11:55, Ramin wrote: Yelled at? Hardly IMO. Claudio asked him a question which is still unanswered. It's been known for new posters to resurrect old threads - for which most posters are not even around anymore - to increase their post count. There have been many threads about the pass in the last 12 months. No need to go back 10 years back. Now, it may well be that the poster's intentions are genuine; he should have just said so.
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