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jordanjohnson Special user Hiding in the Shadows 593 Posts |
Hey everyone,
I am just throwing this video of me performing Wayne Houchin's Stigmata and nothing with that trick is new, but watch as I do the acidus novus p***. Ive added the use of a stapler when you do it that way it makes sense to take the billet back from them to trade them for the stapler and the way you have to hold the paper and point to where you want them to staple puts you in perfect p*** position. So check it out and try it out yourself, it just adds more smoothness and fluidity to the p***. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niLV0fN6p70 Thanks JJ |
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
Good tip!
thanks Jordan
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Hey Jordan,
You really need to script this bad boy out. I couldn't get past the first 2 minutes (never even got to the magic ) Keep working bro. Ben
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jordanjohnson Special user Hiding in the Shadows 593 Posts |
Well sry Ben your loss. I have never scripted anything, I think it more natural to go with the flow but that's another discussion anyways with multiple viewpoints but I always get good reactions and judging by how I've always just let the magic speak more for itself than some BS memorized patter the specs always enjoy it and that's all that matters to me. Can't be a magician and spectator pleaser all at once so I just go with who pays the bills. But to each his own.
Thanks for trying to help though, hope you can use the sublties to help your acidus novus p***. JJ |
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
Ben has right here,a script is essentail for enhance the impact.
A good script makes the difference between a "cool magic trick" and real magic. besides use a stapler is not new I don't like use a stapler because if we go in you way it means without stapled the paper , it's possible to peek the info. It's why nobody use a stapler Anyway the most important is you feel better when you use one
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Donnie Loyal user 224 Posts |
Jordan,
I think the handling is nice. A script is not essential. However, avoid obvious and expository language like "i'm going to get a stapler" and "i'm going to turn around so I can't see" Getting a stapler and turning around is not nearly as important as her writing the name and displaying it. Just try and eliminate unneccessary words. -Don |
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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
Excellent point
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
Script it! You don't have to have a complete, word for word script, but you should have a good starting line and ending line to maximize the impact and be able to steer the conversation in the middle.
There was a lot of dead time in there. Dead time is equal to people walking away if your a 'street magician'. And is even worse on the stage! The trick was good, but as noted before, its just a trick like this. Not Magic. |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I sent you a message.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
No scipt necessary the effect speaks for its self
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Mick Ayres Special user Hilton Head Island 998 Posts |
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On 2009-11-13 16:53, jordanjohnson wrote: It shows.
THE FIVE OBLIGATIONS OF CONJURING: Study. Practice. Script. Rehearse. Perform. Drop one and you're done.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Hey guys. I sent this as a message to JJ but I never heard a response back (I assume he's just busy but will weigh in later). I think it's important that people script their magic, as I think it will greatly increase the quality, and impact of their magic. Here's what I sent JJ, and I think it might be of interest to some of you as well.
Examine the routine and as you do think about how you might script things to increase the impact (by the way- I have now finished watching the routine). With love, Ben Quote:
On 2009-11-13 16:53, jordanjohnson wrote: JJ, Scripting allows you to increase the impact of a performance. I challenge you to find moments in your routine where you play with your audience that you couldn't have worked into a script. No one is suggesting you cannot deviate from a script, or that you cannot interact with an audience. But lets look at some of the problems with the routine. First, you start off so awkwardly that a spectator asks you if you are scared. That, I think, is never a good sign. Second, after you say "here's what I want you to do..." it takes you 20 SECONDS to tell them what you want. If that's part of the presentation (like you weren't sure) it didn't work. Third, you give conflicting instructions that confuse the spectator. You told her to write the name big and bold for everyone to see, then not to show anyone. For obvious reasons she was confused and ended up showing it to everyone. Scripting would fix this. Fourth, you hand her the billet then it takes you 15 seconds, of fumbling, to let anyone know what you are going to do (tell her the name she wrote). There's a lot of awkwardness in her face- you can see it. Fifth, 3:45 without any reactions other then tension. Sixth, You get a great reaction... then step on it. Scripting would help that. No one is saying you don't do the physical stuff (the method) well. And no one is saying you don't get a good reaction (though it takes a hell of a long time to get there considering there was nothing going on for the first almost 4 minutes!). What we're saying is scripting would help. I think this routine has the potential to be a killer routine if you decide not to stop working to early on it. I cannot wait to see it when it's evolved. Ben
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Ben you could do the effect to Music if need be.
I agree with about scripting but not on this effect. |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2009-11-14 16:38, vinsmagic wrote: Vin, How could, or would, you do this to music? You need to instruct them to write down the name, right? You need to tell them to staple it, right? You need to tell them to grasp your writs? You need to reveal the final name, no? I mean I guess you COULD do it non-verbally, but it would take a lot of work to figure out how, and it would probably not be as clear as if you had just used spoken word. But, even if you wanted to do it to music you would need to script the thing! Movement requires a script as well, especially in a complex routine like this. Thanks for your input Vin! You always have something interesting to add! Ben
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rockthemike Special user Seattle 695 Posts |
JJ,
The al naturale effect you're trying to convey didn't happen, I thought you did in fact script it but just failed at getting your words out. Do you think Wayne Houchin goes out without knowing what he's going to say? I think not. You should at least know what you're going to say and not have so many dead moments in the presentation (a lot). Some in the end didn't even know what happened... Michael |
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
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On 2009-11-13 13:27, jordanjohnson wrote: I liked the way you used the stapler. Like you said, it provides good motivation for taking back the billet, as well as getting the other bit of business done. The final double stapled billet also looks impervious to foul play I think your idea is a fine thing to have in one's arsenal. I wish I thought of it. Thank you!! Elliott |
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animation Regular user 120 Posts |
Not too sure about the stapler, I prefer more traditional methods like asking someone to initial their name on the outside of the billet. But I guess it is a nice variation.
Scripting always helps your magic, get Pete McCabe's book scripting magic, then you will have a better understanding of what Ben means. |
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jordanjohnson Special user Hiding in the Shadows 593 Posts |
Sry I haven't been around to post on this. Had a couple shows this week.
Anyways I understand and appreciate the feedback but in as nice as I can be I didn't put this video up for performance tips and scripting and feedback on my performance. I put it up for you guys to see a way I've found to do acidus novus that I feel is motivated and makes more sense (at least for me) in the handling of it. Now I'll be the first to admit that this performance wasn't one of my best. I actually contemplated whether or not to use this video cuz of that but seeing as I was just using it to show the concept I use for the pe**, then I figured it would be fine. I also understand as well as the rest of you that scripting is important but I sorta have a base idea/script that is very minimal so it can allow for variation. For myself I find watching magicians that use a set memorized script boring because it's just memorized and most the time cheesy or so full of BS. I like my magic to be umm how can I put this...magical. I don't do fancy card moves and fancy sleight of hand because I feel for me that if the spec thinks your just an average Joe with cards or whatever you are using that it's more magical than if you do Dan and Dave moves and are flashy and flourishy because then instead of magic it turns into tricks and sleight of hand. And that ties in along with the way I do my patter. Sort of off the cuff spur of the moment, because I want to look like an ordinary guy that says uhh let's try this I've never done this let's see if it will work type of thing then when it happens for me and my audience it seems like wow he didn't even know exactly what he was going after and look at the magical things he made happen. But again that's just how I choose to perform and for me it goes great. And lastly when was the last time you heard a layperson re tell an effect you did and they said oh he told me this cool story of this principle called stigmata where blood randomly shows up and sometimes it can form symbols and have meanings and all that BS that a presentation talks about? Probably not very often. In my experience it's more like I wrote down a name grabbed his arm squeezed and it showed up on his arm. Why put all that scripting in when no one remembers/cares because it has nothing to do with the magic. But again I've had many times that I've been complimented after my shows of how I'm a showman and have good presentation and all that jazz. This wasn't the best performance I've ever done but I was chillin with friends at college so it was just a relaxed laid back environment and I got the reactions I wanted. But thanks for all the input and again I hope some people will find the peek handling helpful. JJ |
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Mick Ayres Special user Hilton Head Island 998 Posts |
Whether you accept them or not, there are five obligations in conjuring:
Study. Practice. Script. Rehearse. Perform. Drop one and you're done. Your last post reveals that you (like so many others) forget about the necessity of REHEARSING what was scripted...done properly, that tends to eliminate the 'memorized BS' dilemma you keep experiencing. Glad to help.
THE FIVE OBLIGATIONS OF CONJURING: Study. Practice. Script. Rehearse. Perform. Drop one and you're done.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I don't think you have any idea what a script is.
When I perform Stigmata I tell someone to think of a card, then I table the deck and have them squeeze my arm- the card appears there. At no time do I talk about calling on the powers of Cthulhu or anything else. I simply do the trick. But BECAUSE of the scripting I know which force I'll use. I know whether or not they are going to shuffle. I know which hand I take the deck back with. I know how I want to ask them to squeeze my wrist. Etc. BECAUSE of the script we can focus more on the magic. I strongly suggest you pick up a copy of Scripting Magic, Strong Magic, and Designing Miracles. If you already have them go give them a re-read. Ben
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