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Zaprig1
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Hey Swann,

Can you expound on this mod to your ZZ? I'm not quite picturing what you mean? Feel free to PM too.

Thanks!
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Hi Zaprig,

We simply took the part where the girl is hiding and beveled the corners to make a "thin base" type of effect, It also allowed us to take away the sliding metal part. I know many of the older guys might not agree & think why try to modify Harbins masterpiece and change a winning recipe, but I have always loved the ZZ and experimented a bit, and it just made sense to make the "hiding place" as thin as posible. I will try to post a picture of it. The part where the middle moves out an extra part, is a bit hard to explain, again I will try to post a picture.
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A picture would be great, Swann101.
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They are both too common. It is time for something new.
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Dynamike....that comment makes you sound more like a playa hater and not a congratulator ;-)

Posted: Nov 19, 2009 2:10pm
Yes they may be common, but I guarantee that 99% of your audiences will never have seen one. I think as magicians we become jaded because it's only us that will have seen 20 different performances of a Zig Zag. It's like saying, don't use a TT because all beginners use one. That is true, but if your performance is good enough many people who are in the know won't even be able to tell you the method. I can't tell you how many times I have done my version of a silk vanish while table hopping and heard someone say something to the effect of "WOW!! I have seen that trick done before with the f*ke th**b thing, but I have no idea how you did it." I guess I'm trying to say that any jack@$$ can make the Origami look horrible, just like any great performer can make a TT look like real magic. A prop no matter big or small it is, or how rare or common it has become is still just a prop. A great performer can make it look like it's new. Long story short.....it's not that size that matters, it's how you use it that counts. Trust me, I've been hearing that all my life... :-D

Just my thoughts on the conversation
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I like my Modern Art, but when I built it I made changes to make it work and look better.
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I'm surprised that no one asked about the routine that I have on the double ZZ routine that Copperfield loved..... I didn't even come close to telling you the entire bit...

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On 2009-11-19 14:10, w_s_anderson wrote:
Yes they may be common, but I guarantee that 99% of your audiences will never have seen one. I think as magicians we become jaded because it's only us that will have seen 20 different performances of a Zig Zag. It's like saying, don't use a TT because all beginners use one. That is true, but if your performance is good enough many people who are in the know won't even be able to tell you the method. I can't tell you how many times I have done my version of a silk vanish while table hopping and heard someone say something to the effect of "WOW!! I have seen that trick done before with the f*ke th**b thing, but I have no idea how you did it." I guess I'm trying to say that any jack@$$ can make the Origami look horrible, just like any great performer can make a TT look like real magic. A prop no matter big or small it is, or how rare or common it has become is still just a prop. A great performer can make it look like it's new. Long story short.....it's not that size that matters, it's how you use it that counts. Trust me, I've been hearing that all my life... :-D

Just my thoughts on the conversation


Excellent points! When the dust clears it really needs to be a personal decision, based on personal needs and objectives. There have been some very good points made about both illusions. The good ones are the neutral ones that invite intelligent comparison. The opinions are only valuable as opinions, and are not likely to be of any real use in determining which will fit a performer's needs.
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If this is to be answered from the lay audiences point of view (i.e., without a magician's concerns of exposure and overuse), the Zig-Zag wins this one hands down. I firmly believe that Zig-Zag is far more visually perplexing than Modern Art. Really, just take a step back from each illusion and ask yourself which is more baffling. It has to be Zig-Zag!
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Ok Mr. Reed, I'll bite. May I please hear about the double zig zag? Smile
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Hi Taylor,
I would be very interrested to hear about the double ZZ too! If you want you can PM me.
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Hey Swann,

I'm twitching over here to see those pics! Sounds VERY interesting and if it increases the deception factor I'm ALL about it!

And yes Taylor, do tell!

Posted: Nov 20, 2009 8:26pm
Oh, and not to de-rail my own post, but can just a few of you ZZ owners tell me what the rigs weigh in an ATA? Just looking for an average of some quality built pieces.

Thanks to all for your contributions... It's been most helpful!!!
Swann101
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Hi I'm trying to upload the pic's but apparently the file is too big, will try to sort it out, am a bit stupid with that stuff!
Zaprig1
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Swann- Just send it to my email address. I PM'd you. Thanks!

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Just trying to log in...
I just spent 20 min typing the entire zz deal and it wouldn't let it go


Posted: Nov 23, 2009 2:24am
I finally got it to work... Go look at the new post..
Double zz by Taylor Reed
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Zaprig1
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See my comments Taylor.

Any luck yet Swann???
Swann101
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Hi Zaprig,
Have emailed you the pic's. Let me know what you think.
Zaprig1
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Hi Swann,

Responded via email. Most creative!

Well, it looks like I've extracted some very good info from all and I thank you!

In case you're curious, I've purchased a Zig Zag for now, so this really was a big help and that's what the forum is all about! My performance will not be so traditional though. I read a great idea (JC I believe) that would incorporate a drape around the middle of the prop/girl prior and during the "pulling". I invision my assistant flicking the fabric with her hand etc., but then this builds to the "magic moment" when the drape is ripped away for the big reveal. I think this could be most powerful, especially to the new generation who have likely not seen the ZZ.

If there are any thoughts on this, I'd love to hear them. To me it just seems like a practical way to add value to the WHOLE presentation.

Thanks,

Christian
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Hey Swann, do you think you can compress or minimize the size of the files so that the pictures can be shared here? You modifications sound VERY intriguing!
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Both are an excellent choice. It is all matter of individual preference.
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