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Recently I was working with a client who has booked hypnotists and psychic readers for stage shows in the past...

I'm curious...

Rank the following in the order YOU think audiences are most keenly interested. I will post a brief descriptor with each...

Magician: Illusions, slight of hand, etc
Hypnotist: Self explanatory
Mentalist: Do I need to explain?
Psychic Reader: Some one souly lecturing on intuition, growing psychic gifts, etc. They may do the occasional reading -- but nothing even remotely close to a Q&A.

Rate these in order of what you feel lay audiences find MOST appealing to watch on stage...

My List...

1)Psychic
2)Mentalist
3)Hypnotist
4)Magician

thoughts?

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1. Psychic
2. Hypnotist

And tied for a very, very distant third is:
mentalist/magician (tie, possible edge to mentalist among older audiences, and magician among younger audiences)
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Psychic
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mentalist
magician
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I will say this -- I asked the booker to put out his list...

This is what he told me...

1:Psychic/mentalist: 1 and the same in the eyes of most. It's hot right now because of the media, its new and different.

2:Hypnotist: People have seen a million hyp shows a million times.

3:Magician: Magic is for kids and there are too many bad Birthday party magicians out there...

This gentleman is an entertainment buyer for a large venue I have been working with. I thought his insight was interesting. ( considering at the end of the day he is the guy that writes the cheques and hires the acts ).

J
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As these are all labels.....especially to Laymen. What other discriptives can be used to convey psychic, mentalist,hypnotist,magician?

I think labels might make:
magicians "bad birthday party entertainers"
Hypnotist "People have seen a million hyp shows a million times. "
Psychic may be seen as a Sylvia Browne
Mentalist as a "Kreskin" (we would be lucky if they think of him)
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Psychic and mentalist the same?

Most people I have spoken too called Phenomenon a magic show and all but one person on it, magicians.

There is a difference between say John Edward and Gerry McCambridge, I don't know one booker who would classify them the same.

Are you sure the “booker” was not pulling your leg?
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On 2009-11-18 10:16, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
Psychic and mentalist the same?

Most people I have spoken too called Phenomenon a magic show and al but one person on it, magicians.

There is a difference between say John Edward and Gerry McCambridge, I don't know one booker who would classify them the same.

I separated mine in the post above, because I also believe they are NOT the same thing. Similar in ways....I can agree with as I think there is some cross-over there, but surely no the same.
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Ultimately, I think that audiences want to be entertained and will go for the most interesting, fun, engaging (etc) performer first regardless of the title or their expertise.

Plus...these titles are simply "titles" and mean different things to different people with varying preconceived ideas. The list could be different for every person. And...every person would likely change their mind on the order after seeing a good performer who exists in one of their bottom categories.

I think audiences gravitate and develop a liking to the person (the performer) and their ability to entertain rather than what specifically they do.
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Magicmind:

Sorry for confusion, I was typing mine when you made your post. My post is in reference to Jeff's post above yours.

Tony
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I agree with Scott. It depends on how popular the entertainer is.

Another thing that is important is the type of audience. Kids are not interested in mentalist as much as magicians. But if this is on a college campus, it is a different story.

Another way to rate them deals with how good the content is that describes each entertainer during advertisement.

A comedian will be good to have on the list too.
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Don't you think this topic is better moved to this section?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewf......44&43076

Just suggesting...Smile
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Depends on the performer. Depends on the audience. Copperfield killed it in his day. Jon Edward is the medium version of Copperfield (in terms of success).

It's all about market segmentation. No act is ever going to be inherently more appealing to everyone. Knowing ones target audience is key.

The booker needs a marketing lesson.
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On 2009-11-18 10:52, Alel wrote:
Don't you think this topic is better moved to this section?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewf......44&43076

Just suggesting...Smile

It is good here, but thanks.
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It really depends on the crowd. For example at my college I attended 3 shows and found almost the exact opposite of what's suggested here. One by a hypnotist whose name I can't remember, The Evasons (mentalists), and Justin Kredible (magician). Here's how they measured out in audience turn out
1. Justin Kredible
2. Evasons
3. The hypnotist.
So in this instance the magician had the highest turnout and the most positive response. Justin even got a write-up in the school paper the next day.
So who really knows?
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I'm with Tony on this one, all the way!

1. Psychic/Reader
2. Hypnotist
3. Mentalist/Magician (maybe even with the magician going first!)

I also find it very, very odd that a booker would consider a psychic and mentalist the same thing.
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Tony, Phenomenon almost was a magic show... almost. The gentleman who won was clearly a magician. The rest of the world doesn't hate magicians nearly as much as mentalists do... go figure!
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Perhaps it depends on how you position yourself -- which apparently was lost in translation here.

This is what may have lead the booker to position a psychic and mentalist in the same grouping.

Either way -- just relaying what the booker said.

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Perhaps you booker was a bad booker, he doesn't know anything about mentalist or/and psychic ?
I know lot of very bad booker, I think there's more bad booker than bad mentalists.
thank to internet to have "liberate" a little bit the market.
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On 2009-11-18 10:16, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
Psychic and mentalist the same?

Most people I have spoken too called Phenomenon a magic show and all but one person on it, magicians.


Id say all but TWO persons on it, magicians
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To me, depending on his approach, a mentalist is either a psychic or a magician. If he is a magician I have little interest in watching him - and if he leans towards the psychic (readings, Q&A, two-person telepathy) then I love it.

So I would rank them:
Psychic
Hypnotist
Magician.

It's interesting that most people seem to rank them in that order, including the booker. At the moment I am rebranding my hypnosis show and the direction I have decided to go is the psychic one - I am now calling myself the Psychic Hypnotist.
If people on this forum are any guide, I think I may be onto something.
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