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I wondering...
I'm a psychology student and I'm studying the priming as a social cognitive factor

What´s your opinion? and scientific facts opinion?


thanks
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I am wondering...

What does 'social cognitive factor' exactly means?
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On 2009-11-19 04:13, swiss_magician wrote:
I am wondering...

What does 'social cognitive factor' exactly means?


jaja

maybe its a traduction problem... but if you study social psychology you can understand
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What exactly does "traduction" mean?

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Traduction is a perfectly cromulent word John.
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On 2009-11-18 21:13, Amirá wrote:
I wondering...
I'm a psychology student and I'm studying the priming as a social cognitive factor

What´s your opinion? and scientific facts opinion?


thanks


Hi,

good question. I behave like priming is useful. It is another vehicle for suggestion. I'd be interested in seeing the results of your research. Although myths have served me well in the past I am always happy to shake them off.

You could look at this from many angles, from the social cognitve perspective, neurological patterns, memory,and more.

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"Traduction" would appear to be the French word for "translation". I think we have a little bit of a language barrier here, on a few different levels.

From a quick Google search it sounds like social cognitive theory is how environment, people and behavior affect each other and result in certain patterns of behavior. So he's asking how priming can play into that.
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On 2009-11-19 07:17, phillsmiff wrote:
Traduction is a perfectly cromulent word John.



The closest I can get to "Traduction" is:

Noun: traducian

1. One who believes that a child's soul is inherited from its parents


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Language aside here...when we say psychological forces, do we mean cultural archetypes instead?

because, a psychological force to me, means applying psychological techniques verbally - to make someone say or think of a certain word...

we may use those techniques to eliminate other words, but the actual act of getting someone to think of circle/triangle...isnt (to me) a psychological force, its a cultural preference, something most likely thought of/named...

we can of course apply other non-verbal things to help ramp the odds in our favour...

there's also the acronym FSG, in naked mentalism, I can't remember what it stands for, but it explains how/why it works in the first book...
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On 2009-11-19 08:24, IAIN wrote:
when we say psychological forces, do we mean cultural archetypes instead?

because, a psychological force to me, means applying psychological techniques verbally - to make someone say or think of a certain word...

we may use those techniques to eliminate other words, but the actual act of getting someone to think of circle/triangle...isnt (to me) a psychological force, its a cultural preference, something most likely thought of/named...




that's my point

The priming that received people in the daily experiences affects his decisions.
So PF had a cultural factor
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There are several methods for attaining a PF, obviously, but most of them, I believe, have to do with "association". The subconscious deals in the language of association, and that's pretty much all it does. The memory of the brain stores data, the subconscious creates associations between that data, and the conscious mind is our navigation through the memory, motor, and sense parts of the brain.

I believe PF work primarily because of associations made by our subconscious through our experience growing up in a particular culture. When we give part of that association in the presentation, their subconscious automatically brings to mind what is associated with it. That feels to the spec like they are receiving some kind of telepathy.

My favorite method for psych forcing is kind of the opposite, where you steer people away from choices instead of draw them to it. Any mention of a choice or anything that makes them think you are trying to force a possibility makes them stay away.

The other main part of PF is knowing how the brain goes through making a decision. Like the fact that most people choose the 3rd option of 4 when laid out in a row from left to right. The idea being that most people will process the options from left to right because that's how we read. The first is too obvious, the second is a bit too soon, the third is right on since it is hidden by one more which is on the end and thus too obvious as well. Or maybe we immediately discount the first and last as being too obvious and thus choose between the inner-two, but don't want to choose the 2nd because it's the first one we consider so we go with the 3rd. The 2nd is just too close to the left for comfort. We want a little more distance.

Then, of course, there's the hidden influence of miming and other cloaked suggestion that our conscious mind doesn't catch but our subconscious does. Again, I believe that triggers whatever the subconscious associates with that suggestion and leads them to choose it.

That's it. That's my opinion of why they work. Smile
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