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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
I'm reminded of cold-readers - People tend to remember the hits and dismiss the misses.
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
Plimer is a well known in Australia as climate kook who is pushing his latest execrable book. Promoting his book on the BBC he proclaimed that "We cannot stop carbon emissions because most of them come from volcanoes.", which even the most ardent denialists have given up as nonsensical.
A very good review of his book, for those interested, can be found here : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ian......10387147
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.
In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes." "Plimer is a well known in Australia as climate kook who is pushing his latest execrable book. Promoting his book on the BBC he proclaimed that "We cannot stop carbon emissions because most of them come from volcanoes.", which even the most ardent denialists have given up as nonsensical." So if a scientist does not agree with man being the cause of climate change they are a climate kook! Talk about denial!
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 06:25, Jonathan Townsend wrote: As your link mentions his book was trashed by many for its bad science, misquotes, misrepresentations, and the like. I've always felt it was a little cynical for Crichton to make judgments about a 'State of Fear' anyway. Isn't that what he did with many of his bestsellers? At least take advantage of them / stoke them, if not create them? Still, I enjoyed several of his books, so may he rest in peace etc.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 11:42, Tom Bartlett wrote: Did you read the review of his book? That is the basis of him being called a kook. That he says kooky things.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 01:24, MagicSanta wrote: A stiff prison term should be adequate to deter the polluters and destroyers. That's why we have a legal system.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
On 2009-12-03 01:29, balducci wrote:
Plenty of money to be had on both sides of the issue. [/quote] I realize we're only 9 pages in, but I'll nominate this as "Best Post of the Thread" so far.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The key to solving the Watergate cover-up more than 30 years ago was Deep Throat's tip, "Follow the money." Its the really big money we need to follow in all of this. I would like to see all the bank accounts of all them involed in this scam investigated. Starting with Prof Jones and see where it leads. He did not cook the science for the fun of it. What we need is a couple of hungry reportors on the case.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 17:44, tommy wrote: It still isn't established that he cooked any science.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
In the meantime the crooks now investigate themselves:
“In order to limit damage to the scientific community and public trust in the science around climate change, the UEA have launched an independent inquiry.”
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Not that you are prejudging or anything....
I'm just wondering, Tommy, what you think the word "independent" means. John PS Nature just published an editorial on the hacked emails. Maybe a few posters will take time out of their concluding to read this one.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
Not that the editorial staff of Nature is looking at it from a neutral viewpoint, calling people "denialist fringe" and "paranoid."
I'll be the first to admit, I have no idea what's going on regarding global warming/climate change. Even when I do read papers on it, I usually have a hard time comprehending what all the science jargon means. Here's what I do know or have been led to believe: - One group says that science is conclusive that warming is real and probably man-made; the other group says that science is conclusive that warming is part of the earth's natural cycle and not man-made. - Both groups say the other group is using flawed science/reasoning to reach their conclusions, and they can prove it by using "correct" science/reasoning. - The first group calls the second groups kooks, fringe, and deniers; the second group calls the first group anti-capitalist, tree-hugging alarmists. - Members of both groups can make money from their positions; the first group from "green" initiatives and carbon credits, the second group from "dirty" resources and less regulation. - Both groups say they wish to work with the other group, but neither group wishes to give an inch. - Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble. Have I missed anything?
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 18:10, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Did Payne write this editorial?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 18:29, Michael J. Douglas wrote: Yes, You missed that my side is right
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 18:10, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I think my problem is with the way things are framed by your side of the arguement. We MUST accept global warming as a fact. The emails were STOLEN according to the title of that Nature link provided John. But it is comming to light that perhaps it was a worker who was simply a "whistle blower" of sorts. If that is true arren't they to ge vaunted and protected? Or is this only when they blow the whistle on a big company? Maybe we should start just stating facts and not spin huh? I like the one email that says "I want global warming to be true so the science is proven right". Oh great now we start with a conclusion, then do the science? How is it that YOU ignore stuff like that John and still claim to want to "follow the science"? You could be presented with all the evidence in the physical universe that this is not what you may think it is and it will not sway your judgement. If you do not see this for what it is, maybe people "helping the evidence a bit" then you have a tough time claiming "objectivity".
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
“Good lord. This is pure George Orwell.” Indeed it certainly is.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs......out.aspx
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 19:47, Dannydoyle wrote: It is not MY side of the argument. I am not a climate scientist and have contributed nothing of note to the position. Has anyone denied that the emails were stolen? What else is hacking? Quote:
But it is comming to light that perhaps it was a worker who was simply a "whistle blower" of sorts. If that is true arren't they to ge vaunted and protected? Or is this only when they blow the whistle on a big company? Whistle blowers and thieves are different. The whistle blower provides his or her own information. Quote:
Maybe we should start just stating facts and not spin huh? I like the one email that says "I want global warming to be true so the science is proven right". Oh great now we start with a conclusion, then do the science? I missed that email. Do you have a link so that I can read the original in context? Quote:
How is it that YOU ignore stuff like that John and still claim to want to "follow the science"? You could be presented with all the evidence in the physical universe that this is not what you may think it is and it will not sway your judgement. If you do not see this for what it is, maybe people "helping the evidence a bit" then you have a tough time claiming "objectivity". I haven't ignored any of this stuff. I have read what I can and I have responded in the way that I think is correct. I think that you--and many other people--really don't understand how the case has been made. Data at the CRU is only a small part of the evidence. CRU did not make the global ice caps thinner. They did not raise the level of the oceans. They have not changed the acidity of the oceans. They have had nothing to do with weather stations worldwide. They cannot control imagery from space. They have not changed the growth rings of trees. Danny go up and read what I have posted elsewhere. There is considerably more evidence to consider than anything that these emails could change. And I give you a challenge, Danny. Tell the truth. Have you read the hacked emails in their entirety? Have you even read a single complete email? Have you read ANY of the scientific articles they mention? Just asking. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Don't feel bad John, most the pro global warming is because of US manufacturing crowd are not climate scientist....
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-12-03 20:35, tommy wrote: I'm not sure what you find Orwellian, Tommy. The article is written by an journalist trained in economics. His quotations are all really the words of the people he claims them to be, but he has cut out large portions of text without acknowledging that he has done so. It's not very honest. The irony, of course, is that he is criticizing others for a lack of integrity and transparency in their methods. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
John how can you defend this crap and call it science? I don't know if you are that despirate for the global warming to be true, or if you just can't imagine being so wrong.
Remember the good old days when it was GLOBAL COOLING? http://translate.google.com/translate?js......it&tl=en Here are some of the emails John if you want to look at them. http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2009/11/ro......des.html Also John, it seems that the email may have been leaked, then hacked. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009......ore.html I have not read them all John, I have read many in context. How bout you?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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