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J-Mac
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OK, you are unbelievable, Christian! Only two posts above this one I mentioned that I received my Phoenix decks and love them. I also mentioned that I had stupidly left the Three-Card Monte set in a shirt pocket and washed the shirt. (Grr - still beating myself over that act!) Today I received a package in the mail with a fresh packet of the Three-Card Monte cards, a bag of Gummi Bears - the good stuff from Germany - and a personal note to please not launder them again! I could hardly believe it! I wasn't asking or hinting for a new set; after all it was my own fault, and I surely could have purchased another set if need be. But I never expected the package today, and I am completely astounded at such service. Personally I have never experienced customer service quite like that before.

Christian, you are truly amazing. You must be way too busy to bother with something like this, yet there you are!

I guess you know I'm a customer for life - and then some! And though I am not really much of a card guy, I will be getting new decks regularly anyway!

Thank you!

Jim
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I have been using the Phoenix deck now and in one word. Excellent.
The correspondance when enquiring about costs etc is - Excellent.
The delivery time for the cards was - Excellent

Christian and his company members have a service that is unbeatable in the UK.

Thank you Card Shark
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Are these decks available through retail stores in the US?
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With a retail store, do you mean something like Walgreens or Walmart?

Not at the moment, no. I am open to all dealer enquiries and would welcome the possibility to spread the deck in a wider fashion.

On the other hand: I only charge 5 US$ for shipping, whatever quantity you order. And all Phoenix Decks ordered in USA or Canada are shipped out from Card-Shark USA in NY.
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Will you be releasing Mcdonalds Aces cards with the new big pip Aces?
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Yes, some of the "good old" bread and butter effects will be definitely released. I count McDonald´s Aces to this repertoire. Any other suggestions?
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What about a "Colour Monte" set?
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Recieved my decks today and I am more than satisfied !
Very nice cards and the handling is exatcly as bicycles.
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I ordered the Phoenix pre-sale set 2 and a Joker forcing deck - joker problem solved!

Christian, maybe you can throw in a Joker force deck for an order of 48 decks?

I have been using these decks at private parties only (still have a load of Bikes for table hopping) and I use the three extra aces for a three card monte gambling demo (with bent cards and corners) I leave the whole deck with the customer.

If you do decide to stop printing the extra aces then I would like three gaffs and a set of seals: 3 indifferent spot cards with an opposite color Ace index on one corner. The seals so I can take them out add a Joker and re-seal the pack...
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Carlo Conjurana
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Hi
I received mine phoenix cards 2 days ago and it seems to me that I am the only one that found the joker cards to be misaligned in other words the borders are broader on one side than the other side and the pips totally of center,definetally not good and you get only one joker in the pack ????. Not happy with my jokers sorry Christian I also emailed you 3 times about this and you have not come back to me regarding this issue.
Guys don't get me wrong they are excellent cards which I definatally will use love them just perhaps it was a bad batch on my behalf .

Has anyone found the same problem ?.
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Carlo, please contact me via PM, your emails seem not to reach me.

I wrote much more concerning the mispunched Joker and everything that is in the hands of USPCC, but unfortunately my reply was not stored. Now I would have to write everything a second time, but have to do that later.
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I do not understand the purpose. Why use an imitation Bicycle deck that is looking like a trick deck with funky pips, when Bicycle Decks and all the gaffs are available? It would be like resurecting Fox Lake cards. Just makes no sense. What do I do when I need a few decks on the way to a show? Can't get them at the corner store.
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On 2010-02-25 12:24, jondunlap wrote:
I do not understand the purpose. Why use an imitation Bicycle deck that is looking like a trick deck with funky pips, when Bicycle Decks and all the gaffs are available? It would be like resurecting Fox Lake cards. Just makes no sense. What do I do when I need a few decks on the way to a show? Can't get them at the corner store.


Because the Bicycle gaffs are not made as standard anymore and gaffs which edit the back, ace of spades or joker are completely off the list. However phoenix cards are legal property of card shark so any gaff can be made, they hold secrets in their design and the gaffs are readily available.

Quality wise same as Bicycle yet they look beautiful Smile

PS: I use a multitude of different card decks from USPC not once have I had the word trick deck used and I live in the UK where poker cards are not common. The trick deck mentality is magician paranoia.

If you did get questioned just mention the phoenix casino.
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Well the most widely used gaff's don't need that. But also I cannot run down to the corner and get more. With Bikes, $15 a dozen all over the states. And to be honest, most good workers don't need gaffs. And no one here ever heard of the Phoenix casino. But to each his own. There was a reason Bicycle became so popular, even in the UK. They were widely available, not a mere monopoly. There was a brand that tried a similar thing back in the late seventies, early eighties. Tahoes. How many decks do you still have? On a good day I personally burn though a dozen decks working. I need availability, not a warehouse to store what I cannot get in a day. I am sure there is a market for anything, but I still don't see a need. Obviously you do. Tell me the same story in two years.
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On 2010-02-27 11:01, jondunlap wrote:
Well the most widely used gaff's don't need that. But also I cannot run down to the corner and get more. With Bikes, $15 a dozen all over the states. And to be honest, most good workers don't need gaffs. And no one here ever heard of the Phoenix casino. But to each his own. There was a reason Bicycle became so popular, even in the UK. They were widely available, not a mere monopoly. There was a brand that tried a similar thing back in the late seventies, early eighties. Tahoes. How many decks do you still have? On a good day I personally burn though a dozen decks working. I need availability, not a warehouse to store what I cannot get in a day. I am sure there is a market for anything, but I still don't see a need. Obviously you do. Tell me the same story in two years.


The first point on Gaff's is very true. Most do not edit the standard logo's of the backs, the joker or ace. Although some very good decks are now never going to be made anymore Bicycle wise, like the Boris Wild deck, as it edit's the back. There is however a Phoenix marked deck already available. To extend on this however would be to point out that regular Gaff's are no longer going to be made as standard by the USPC. It will be on other magic dealer's time to order regular gaffs yet card shark is already providing all the standards on a regular basis.

The whole Phoenix casino was a lie, I said it as a ruse, as in if anyone asked about the card's just say the "Phoenix Casino". I doubt anyone would ask further eh? After all we are surrounded by smoke and mirrors are we not?

I have some Tally Ho's left and allot of Bicycles yet it doesn't matter about the brand, no one cares trust me. My friends and none of my random spectators do, I just tell them whatever the deck that they came from such and such casino or that they are used by card sharks. But it doesn't matter which ones we buy, USPC makes them both, Bicycle and Phoenix.

I don't buy in singles however like you seem to so I can see the issue as the Phoenix decks are still not widely available everywhere, then again neither are Bike's, I have to order them in bricks.

If you are not for Gaff's then the Phoenix deck will not appeal unless it's for looks, for me it does win and after all they are just Bike's with a different design. Yet if you are like me who needs a deck with a wide availability of Gaff's which Phoenix provides, it is all quite exciting. I embrace all forms of Card Magic, at the end of the day you are entertaining, the method matters not.

PS: What is a good worker and I don't say this in a hostile way, Wesley James, Bro John Hamman and Derek Dingle were and are good workers in my books but they do have Gaff effects.
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Oh I know its not hostile, you left out Daryl, and Duvivier for brilliant effects with gaffs. All I was getting at, is it that they are not essential for any good performer, but are certainly a good advantage. What is mis-informed is the fact USPC will no longer print gaffs routinely. In fact Murphy's Magic already has resolved their contracts with them, and they are the largest wholesale distributor to shops worldwide. Others that co-op with performers to buy into custom sheets also have no problem. We just bought into 20 slots. This is totally counter to the original rumors. The thing that the new managment of USPC were concerned with was marked cards due to the exposure and liability. They will be no more. Thus the restriction on alteration of back design. That was understandable. Thier first reaction was knee jerk, but they since have eased up all that. Money always prevails. As far as the Boris Wild system, it was far better when hand marked anyway. So bicycle gaffs are not disappearing at all. And with the convienient availability of regular decks at a great price, I don't see workers changing over in any droves soon. Sure everyone is curious, and an alternate source with some novelty cards isn't a bad thing, but the hype far exceeds the real need.
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Ah ok that is intresting. Well I will keep an eye out for my stores to get gaffs back in stock. I most probably will still invest in the Phoenix cards but it is nice to hear that the likes of Murphys is going to invest into the gaffs so they can be readily available with Bike users.
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Hi Richard

I too stock many gaffed decks all in Bike. Murphy's began shipping them again in the Fall of 2009, and all are in Stock. The only thing I see missing is Large Bicycle decks thus far, all the rest are in stock at Murphy's. So while the orginal rumors were of concern which began last March-April, as of the fall, they are no longer valid, although there appear to be some still ill-informed and others still stating them as fact.
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On 2010-02-28 10:18, Craig Dickson wrote:
Hi Richard

I too stock many gaffed decks all in Bike. Murphy's began shipping them again in the Fall of 2009, and all are in Stock. The only thing I see missing is Large Bicycle decks thus far, all the rest are in stock at Murphy's. So while the orginal rumors were of concern which began last March-April, as of the fall, they are no longer valid, although there appear to be some still ill-informed and others still stating them as fact.


Looks like the phoenix deck may disappear back into the flames from whence it came! Guffaw.
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Whoever dealt with USPCC knows how frustrating it can be. If you think that money changes everything, then you are over optimistic.

Over the last few years the complaints about the quality of Bicycle cards increased. As they are now owned by Jarden Inc. we magicians with custom prints are completely uninteresting for them. Me as as a magician I wanted to stop the dependency and open up possibilities that would not be possible if we would stay with Bikes.

I just released exclusively for WMS the Texas Cards (Everything is bigger in Texas) longer or wider cards. I will also do wider AND longer cards. The next thing will be thin cards that look the same and can be switched out. I always thought that the main drawback of the available thin cards is, that they look different to your standard deck and therefore draw suspicion when you ring them in. I am also working on a Parlour Deck. All stuff that is only possible with the Phoenix.

It is true that I have a vision to revolutionize the card magic and open up doors that were not available before. The cards btw. are traditionally cut like the Richard Turner decks and my main focus for the Phoenix are professional magicians who don´t care if they burn a deck per day. These cards are your working tool, and with every profession, some use average stuff and some want to have the best / better.

I only charge 5 US$ for shipping worldwide, whatever you order. And you know how heavy cards can get. As the decks are shipped out from Germany or the USA, you will receive them very fast.

I am happy for everybody who supports me in this effort, I really put my whole life and passion into it. David Williamson did a great promotion for the Phoenix last weekend in Blackpool, Joshua Jay completely moved over to the Phoenix Deck already. Jeff McBride also supports me and I am talking to several other key players at the moment.

I had to start somewhere and so far I am very satisfied with what is already available:

- Standard decks in both major colors red and blue
- two different kind of marked decks (Marked Deck and SUM Deck)
- standard Gaffed cards like double facers, double backers, blank cards etc.
- Longer cards and shorter cards
- trick decks like Invisible, Brainwave, Stripper, Svengali and Force Decks
- custom printed gaffs in all variations
- the first packet tricks that can only be available with the Phoenix Deck
- other stuff that does not come to my mind at the moment.

So the ground is settled, now come the real interesting projects that will make the difference and will show what my vision is. Isn´t it good to have more options? Does it always have to be the Bicycle Deck? The more you support me the faster the Phoenix family can grow, it is that easy. I am open to new ideas and also feedback for what is still missing.

So thanks to anybody who gave the Phoenix already the support to lift off. He is flying the first rounds over our heads and every support will lift him higher.
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