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-The Scot-
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I think by 'working off the pack' you take your steals from the pack itself. Like backpalm cards from the top of the deck whilst doing a half turn of whatever. It isn't replacing the cards onto the deck, in fact the complete opposite.

Does this make sense?

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I would say it does... a lot more sense than what i said.
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Kevin:
Working off the deck is a smart way to go to retain card stock for another series of productions within your act. I use this after I do a few card fans, s-fans and flourishes. The cards are right there and are easy enough to make a steal of cards for my next sequence in the routine.

I would use this move in conjunction with a few body steals from clips. This helps diversify the act a bit more and makes it appear different in the minds of the audience.
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The Murray card dropper works great, also, a simple bulldog clip works just as good.
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Droppers are strange animals. Card droppers, coin droppers, ball droppers, elephant droppers, whatever droppers all serve a single, strategic function: to securely hold what you need and allow you to take it from a secret place to an open place in the timing of your own determination.

I have used most of the commercial droppers that have been marketed and made a lot of homemade ones and find they can both work equally well. With a little determination and some "things found round the house" you can create any kind of dropper you want.

One of my favorite card droppers was made by me from a metal Band-Aid box, gaffers tape and rubber bands. It is important, however, to fully understand how you want to use it and let that determine what it can and can't be.

On the side steals issue...yeah, too many side steals is like any other potential "weak spot" in presenting magic. If you choose a weapon (a sleight, a dropper, a steal, a ditch) then use it expertly and sparingly to ensure its impact upon an unsuspecting audience. Smile
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Some of you mentioned working off the pack. Others mentioned body stills. You gave me the idea of combining both of them in an act. That won't just fool the spectators, but magicians also.
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I use my hands a sleight of hand for manipulation, then I use pins and these clippy things for body loads. McBride explains great body loads in his manipulation series.
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When it comes to the cards, combining body loads and working off the pack can make you dangerous. Sure why not use most, if not all, tools and methods available to you? For anyone who thinks that body loads discount skill level, WRONG! The steals can require mastery of stage angles, misdirection, and timing.
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Large paperclip looped through the "eye" of a safety pin is my favourite. Smile
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I use Kyle's method sometimes, but mainly I use a safety pin and a peg attached to it. I just clip my cards on the peg, attach the peg to the pin and the pin to my jacket. It is then very easy to steal cards from this droppper.
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If you do use body loads, don't pin them to the jacket, because it moves. Pin them to your pants, the pants don't move.
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Is there any instruction available for working from a deck and not body loads?
-The Scot-
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There is one example on Art of Card Manipulation (volume 3 I think). It is called the waterfall fan, and shows an example of stealing cards in the BP position while spinning in a body turn.

Just one though.
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I think Kevin is right. I believe that Jeff covers off on this idea on Volume 3. I also know that Geoffry Buckingham has a nice section on body loads and steals in his book It's Easier Than You Think.
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Jeff also covers a nice riffle palm idea on his Manipulation Without Tears DVD.
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Well, I have noticed that Peter Marvey does body loads, so it can't be that bad. I didn't notice this until about my third time watching him doing his routine in WGM, that is, until I know about body loads.
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Marvey's body steals are very subtle and I can tell he has practised these immensely—they are effortless and the clean hand provides excellent misdirection.

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What you can us is a "bankers Clip" sold at stationery stores. Attach a pin to it. Fred Kaps also used steals in all his manipulation act.

If you are really doing a manipulation act, you will use both steals and also be able to recover from a deck. Never use the same methods all the time.

Neilsen card holders made by Murray are no longer available. Only the Murray full Deck dropper is still available. I think Daytona Magic has a new card clip available. Check them out. It is along the bankers clip idea but has an added feature to secure a larger load.

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