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magic-taylor
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Hi Guys,
We are going to be performing some illusions in Seattle at the end of march and I am looking to find the most economical way of shipping the props. Are there any companies that you would recommend? I am in Los Angeles
Taylor
Jack Murray
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Forward Air is usually the cheapest. You drop off at the depot and pick up on the other end. A Note of caution: I had an account with for over 7 years before they damaged FIVE cases in a row. When they fought every claim, I cancelled my account with them. You may have better luck. Now I use "CGL". They have been very good to me!

Jack
Mike Thornton
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Freightquote.com will give you comparison bids from a least a dozen shippers. I've been very happy with their service. Also Baxglobal.com is a great mission critical company, not always the best price but great service.
Blair Marshall
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The multinational I worked for always used Bax global, especially for critical shipments where big $$$ were involved on our end.

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Jack Murray
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I was told Bax will NOT come to a home.

Jack
BtheDreamer
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I almost always use Forward Air to ship my props around and they do a good job. It is usually the same guy that comes to our house and he is super nice!
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UBID.com is the ebay of shipping. You put the size and weight of what your shipping, where it's going, and when you need it there. Then individual truckers will bid for your business (they have feedback like ebay and everything). I am sure L.A. to Seattle is a very popular route. I had a thin model sawing and a shadow box shipped from L.A. to my house in Portland Or. for 100 bucks using them!

Good luck,

Scott
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Gotta love the U.S. to U.S., shipping rates. The cross border kills (at least it did!).

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As point of reference, UPS and Fed EX will both be going up 5% the first of the year again,.

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Jack Murray
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On 2009-12-09 08:21, hugmagic wrote:
As point of reference, UPS and Fed EX will both be going up 5% the first of the year again,.

Richard



So what you're saying is, it will now cost more for these 2 shippers to destroy your goods:)
Jack Murray
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On 2009-12-09 08:21, hugmagic wrote:
As point of reference, UPS and Fed EX will both be going up 5% the first of the year again,.

Richard



So what you're saying is, it will now cost more for these 2 shippers to destroy your goods:)
magic-taylor
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Thank you all so much!!!
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I've used Forward Air and Fed Ex Freight over the years. Forward air is less expensive but, a hassle. You have to drop off the cases, have them weighed .. then leave to get a money order for payment. No checks, no cash, no credit .. money orders only. I've got an account with Fed Ex and they have a dock near by .. so, it's pretty simple.

Another option to consider is by train. My good friend David Seebach has done this many times. You can look him up online if that interests you.

Steve
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Forward Air always did a good job for me. Good packing, however is the shipper's job and damaged ATA cases are to be expected == so unless you put an ARA case inside an ATA case......

One of the more interesting conversations I even sat in on was one between Andre Kole and Franz Herrari pn how they got their equipment around. Kole was an advocate of one chow with props shipped just on time delivery -- repairing damage n the spot if need be. Franz advocated (at that time) multiple shows of the same props being shipped ahead "hopscotch" style.

When it got down to brass tacks costs between the two were very similar (comparing express for Kole, ground for Herrari plus props) at the end of a season. However, my feeling was that the emotional tax paid by Kole was greater than that for the multiple shows in the props could look patched or too simple -- or have to be eliminated from a show based upon timing. Anything broken from the multiple show props, if not immediately fixable fist class, could have a duplicate expressed in.

When it finally came down to it -- though - my personal experience was to truck and trailer in my own props in my own truck and trailer. I limited myself to dates I could easily and economically drive to in the rig (50 MPH figured as speed plus stops.) I at most times kept a back-up effect at my Tucson Headquarters just in case. Using my population base and health decline toward the end of my bigger presentations, I tried to limit my dates to a ten hour drive -- which picked up the area between Alberquerque and Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Flagstaff and a multi-million person population base and corporations and fund raisers to pay the bills.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara

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On 2009-12-09 13:40, chmara wrote:
Forward Air always did a good job for me. Good packing, however is the shipper's job and damaged ATA cases are to be expected == so unless you put an ARA case inside an ATA case......

One of the more interesting conversations I even sat in on was one between Andre Kole and Franz Herrari pn how they got their equipment around. Kole was an advocate of one chow with props shipped just on time delivery -- repairing damage n the spot if need be. Franz advocated (at that time) multiple shows of the same props being shipped ahead "hopscotch" style.










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When it got down to brass tacks costs between the two were very similar (comparing express for Kole, ground for Herrari plus props) at the end of a season. However, my feeling was that the emotional tax paid by Kole was greater than that for the multiple shows in the props could look patched or too simple -- or have to be eliminated from a show based upon timing. Anything broken from the multiple show props, if not immediately fixable fist class, could have a duplicate expressed in.

When it finally came down to it -- though - my personal experience was to truck and trailer in my own props in my own truck and trailer. I limited myself to dates I could easily and economically drive to in the rig (50 MPH figured as speed plus stops.) I at most times kept a back-up effect at my Tucson Headquarters just in case. Using my population base and health decline toward the end of my bigger presentations, I tried to limit my dates to a ten hour drive -- which picked up the area between Alberquerque and Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Flagstaff and a multi-million person population base and corporations and fund raisers to pay the bills.




It depends on what you call "damage". I don't mind a ding, small dent, or gouge, and naturally moderate scratches. When an ATA is crushed, fork lift penetration, several casters ripped off....this is where I draw the line.
I wouldn't mind so much but after having an account with F. A. for over 7 years, I would expect to be treated like a "valuable customer" when I turn in a valid claim. All claims were finally paid after months of fighting,
but I had to spend MANY hours on the phone and "prove" the damage cost, I said enough.


Jack
chmara
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Wow -- never had that trouble -- they must have been training a new guy on the lift --- but to fight you on the insurance is unconscionable .
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara

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