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Gilbert New user Quebec, Canada 36 Posts |
I was wondering if there is any good billet knife on the market, other than the porper model.
I'm looking at a model which is more like a knife who you can cut a rope where a prediction is hanging. And if it does exist, a one that can be quickly loaded whitout difficulty so a prediction can be pop-in before the cutting of the rope. And finally, does anyone ever tried the bill in lemon billet knife sold at tannen's magic store. Thanks |
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David Alexander Special user 623 Posts |
Dr. Jaks used a billet knife in his show with great success. He used two nested envelopes. The prediction was found in the second envelope.
The knife I have is edge loading and was, I believe, made in Germany some years back. Expect to pay $200 or more for a quality model. |
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Gilbert New user Quebec, Canada 36 Posts |
Thank's David for the info.
I tought of doing it into nested envelope. The reason that I don't really like the porper model is that it show the mecanism on one side. The proplem that I have right now, is that there seem to be nothing else on the market. Model which can be load by the edge are hard if not impossible to find. |
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David Alexander Special user 623 Posts |
Gilbert,
Edge-loading knives come up to auction every now and then. That's how I got mine. Watch Martinka, Keena Thompson, eBay, George Daily, Mario Carrandi, etc. One will pop up sooner or later. Good luck. |
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Gregory57 Loyal user 246 Posts |
I picked up a type of billet pencil a number of years ago at an auction. It's very well made, possibly metal, and I'm sure it's very old. It's hollow and loads from the gimmicked eraser, using a type of slide. Does anyone have any idea who made these? I'm interested in selling it if anyone is interested.
Cliff Gregory Wollin
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Corinda marketed the original billet pencils.
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magicFreak2 Inner circle 1220 Posts |
I always liked this one: http://www.magic.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=6340
Because the chances of me carrying around a fancy kitchen knife are precious slim, and besides, it looks cool. |
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David Alexander Special user 623 Posts |
Martini made a nice billet pen built out of a Bic body. It's inexpensive and works well. I have an original Corinda Billet Pencil, metal with a pencil tip. Uses the same thumb-activated piston as the Bic model.
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Caliban Special user 727 Posts |
I also have a Corinda Billet Pencil but I've never used it. Nobody rolls a piece of paper into a tight tube to seal it inside an envelope.
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Gilbert New user Quebec, Canada 36 Posts |
MagigFreak2, the billet knife you're talking about, is it one that the billet can be load in the knife then be push into an envelope as you open it, or it's one of those model that you hide the billet on one side of the blade? If it's the model that allow you to push the billet in the envelope what would be the biggest billet possible.
It's not realy what I want but can do the job for a while, until I found what I'm looking for. |
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The Futurist Veteran user 331 Posts |
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=82&0
Apologies to our OP, Gilbert, and to David, but I felt I had to post my (somewhat tangential) response in Inner Thoughts. It's clear that you're both "on the level", but you don't happen to have the requisite 50 posts yet. I'd be very happy to PM you guys if anything comes of it. |
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Gregory57 Loyal user 246 Posts |
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On 2009-12-13 14:10, mastermindreader wrote: Thanks for the information Mr. Cassidy. From the descriptions, this must be a Corinda billet pencil. It's very well made, but now more a collectors item, if even that, since producing a small rolled prediction wouldn't work for me.
Cliff Gregory Wollin
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Its a shame such items like this are hard to find. I guess the market just isn't there for someone to make them. Porper one is ok, but I don't like the one sided versions.
They are also getting scarce on auction sites.
Mark Reed
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
For what it's worth, I have both a billet pen and billet pencil (both are believed to be from Corinda) that I acquired as part of a collection I purchased many years ago. I also have two billet knives, one an edge loading metal one (of German origin as I recall) and another, a wooden side-loader that is purportedly the same style used by Dr. Jaks. The metal one can accommodate a billet as large as 6" x 2 1/2" (folded to 3" x 3/4"), while a much smaller billet is required for the wooden one.
IMO, if the reveal is to be a prediction or note in an envelope it is important that the knife look like a legitimate letter opener and not like a kitchen, hunting or commando knife, hunting knife. It is equally important to minimize the disparity between the size of the envelope and the size of the billet. A billet of the size my metal billet knife can accommodate is fine for a medium size (e.g., No. 6 3/4) envelope but looks small in a business size (No. 10) envelope. To me the inconsistency of a tiny billet in a large container is inherently suspect. That is the problem I have with all the prediction chests in which the prediction is rolled into a tiny pellet that is inserted in the chest via the key -- when the chest is opened there is only a tiny pellet or rolled up billet inside. Unfortunately, the only prediction chests I am aware of that will accommodate a full 8 1/2" x 11" sheet of paper (albeit folded to about 1/4 that size) are the Mason/Arturo or Pomeroy Chests, both of which are quite rare and quite costly (in fact, I may have one of only a handful of Pomeroy Chests ever made).
Dick Christian
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Gilbert New user Quebec, Canada 36 Posts |
Dick Christian,
Thank'S for the info, especially for the billet size that can be insert in the metal one you're talking about. This is the size that I was looking for, an index card that would be insert in a cash envelope that, would be nest into an another bigger envelope. As for a knife over a letter opener, If a letter opener model can be use for the same size of billet it would be better. In case of a knife, I would have use a way of having a reason of using a knife (either cut a rope were the envelope whit the prediction...) The reason I'm not interested in the porper model is the fact that the system is fully in view on one side of it, which make the use more risky, especially if you have somebody close when you open the envelope. If I was more experience in that field, I would probably find a way to do it very confortably, but since I'm not at a pro level (at least yet), I don't want to be bold to the point of making an error that would sell the way things are done. I'm very serious about mentalism, even if for the moment is a hobby, when I get to a level where I would be very confortable whit all the technique, the I might going to be something else. |
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Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
I used one of the side opening, German knives on 13 Steps. That model could take a piece of folded paper the size of a dollar bill.
Richard |
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Someone needs to bring back one of the effective vintage designs.
So many classic props die off to never be seen again - makes me sad!
Mark Reed
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BlakeAdams Special user Texas 641 Posts |
The only billet knive I can find these days are the porper version. Are there any else?
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Magic Depot has one in their poor boy line - but ehh it looks pretty junky - its only $10 so you get what you pay for.
Mark Reed
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David Alexander Special user 623 Posts |
The problem with so many magic props is that they are made by small shops, or individuals. It's a cottage industry. Someone comes along, starts making this or that prop...sells a number and then, for whatever reason, stops. Most magic isn't mass produced.
There was a fellow I knew about who made a number of very nice little props that he sold for an extremely reasonable price. He sold what he made and then, one day his stuff wasn't available any more. Years later I got to know him and asked what had happened. He explained that he was in an awful marriage. He'd come home, eat a quick dinner, and then go to his basement where he'd work building magic until he went to bed. Building props was his escape from his wife. At a point he'd had enough, got divorced, and later remarried to a great gal. His need to build props was gone and some very nice little items are now only collectors items. Others find that they can't sell the prop for what it is worth to make. |
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