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PaulPacific Special user Yes, I used my toes to type all of my 907 Posts |
Yes, Read Strong Magic and Designing Miracles for more on this technique.
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Hmmm, what kind of suggestion tests did he do?
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PaulPacific Special user Yes, I used my toes to type all of my 907 Posts |
He had the onstage subjects 'perceive' ghosts & spectres out in the audience. Along with his usual suggestion tests of locked arms, eyelids, etc. He had subjects forget their names, visualize birds on their palms, and make and freeze in wacky face positions.
Kreskin.. always in fine form even though in a few weeks he will be 75 years old!
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
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On 2009-12-20 17:05, PaulPacific wrote: Also a sort of "Hot Chair" bit, but without gaffed chairs or even instant st's. And all of the above without a "Hypnotic Trance", according to Kreskin. - entity Posted: Dec 20, 2009 6:58pm Also interesting to note that Kreskin made a point of telling the audience that he was an entertainer, not a psychic or a fortune teller. - entity
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
WOW, great info, thanks ENtity and Paul for Kreskin update. I still have a telepathy bit I learned from him I save for very special occasions.
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Jason Messina Elite user 424 Posts |
After reading this thread and then watching the "exposure" episode of The Mentalist, I have to admit I was underwhelmed by said exposure.
The nw bit was on a baseball (not the context it's normally used in) and only lasted seconds. The method of the blister bit was vaguely alluded to but you'd really have to know what was going on to put two and two together. I'd be willing to bet that if you asked regular people to describe the episode immediately after watching they probably wouldn't even mention those parts. They were, in a word, forgettable. And if the exposure was more memorable, Richard has already posted the antidote to that earlier in the thread....unfortunately it appears many have glossed over it! Good Thoughts, Jason Messina PS: Heard from Ted K. on Friday and he confirmed that he hasn't had anything to do with The Mentalist and that the credit referred to Gerry McCambridge's The Mentalist. Not sure if this was eventually clarified on this thread. |
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Dark Knight Loyal user My troops are stationed at 272 Posts |
Our code, like the "sacred" Omerta of the Mafia, is no longer respected, especially by the younger generations. While actual survival does not depend on faithful adherence to our code (as opposed to the Sicilian one), professional survival may. However, if thugs like Tony Soprano, with their draconian methods, cannot even enforce honor, how can we expect a bunch of magicians and mentalists, with their wands and NWs, to be so much more effective?
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I sense a rap song release with exposure is next.
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johnnyimpossible Loyal user Omaha, Ne 244 Posts |
I don't even worry about exposure... I posted this before on the Magic Café... I once was table hopping in a restaurant and a couple told me how they saw the TT exposed on TV by the Masked Wannabe... I then went and did an effect with the TT I had on me and floored these laymen... Not too worried... We just may have to do some overcoming of obstacles is all and become a little better... I think magic has come a long way in the last decade and will keep improving...
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I love the NW and TT. Used both this weekend. Yes, I use the TT for mentalism.
Can't wait until this Thurs and The Mentalist. More then likely it will be a rerun but see what what Jane will use next. It may have just been episode specific. If more and more exposure occurs, its defintely a lot more to this then the NW. That has me most curious. C
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
"Meaning is the best misdirection" -Kenton Knepper
... I agree with what Mr. Mindbender said. Blending methods is the way to dealing with a lot of these issues. I hate that our methods are being revealed daily, but it can be dealt with (though that doesn't absolve the offender). Giving people a look inside (hinting at methods that may be only partially used or pseudo explanations) really helps this... Why? I think because it soothes resistance and ingratiates our audiences. The point made above about the "Dice Anecdote" with Derren Brown speaks to this fact. He had been so entranced by the (seeming) method, the simple truth was abandoned, even when it stood glowing in front of his participant. When people feel like they are being treated as intelligent people (which they are), then they don't have the need to "solve" or be threatened. They will go along for the ride. The reason I have chosen a "psychological subtext" is because it allows me to present my material without a "spiritual element" and I can use real information to sell the "magicial" (plus I can be honest about that). Layering... it's the new NW (I am kidding here. This place can be so combative, it's hard not to add my disclaimer). Tax, tag and title are not included. |
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
Thanks to Jane, we cannot use a NW to predict which finger a blister will appear on! Thanks a lot! Youve caused so many of us to think outside of the box! Darn you...
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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
It is so funny to read all the people justify why exposure is not bad. Have you all lost your minds? I don't use a NW, but I feel bad for those who do.
Why buy anything anymore? Just steal it! How about I expose and make copies of all the books I have, pass them out to people on the streets? How would the creators feel? How would the people who spent thousands of dollars on their knowledge feel? And then to hear all you slap them in the face! I am beyond frustrated with the majority of "performers" on this site. But this is what the skeptics and "psychological illusionist" want it. Wait until you see one of my performances. I will expose the "psychological illusionist". Good times ahead for all.
"it's better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb."
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StuartNolan Elite user 479 Posts |
Leaving the question of exposure to one side for the moment, here's another thought....
How do we feel about the image of what a mentalist is that The Mentalist portrays? I'm more interested in how that characterization may shape people opinions of who we are and what we do. Methods are just methods after all but our characters and personalities are where the real craft lies. Does anyone from the US find that people are saying things like, "Are you like the guy from The Mentalist?" Is it having that kind of an influence? The show isn't that popular over here and the few people that have mentioned it to me tend to mock it and treat it as just a bit of nonsense. To be honest, I've stopped watching the show myself. Not because of any exposure but because its so poorly written it makes me wince.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I did wonder how long it would be before someone said "i'm going to do a show exposing how psychological techniques cannot achieve the things some performers claim..."
why don't we all expose one another (ha!) and get it over and done with... maybe we could all remember that we are all naughty little chaps who stole the techniques from other naughty fellows in the first place...and agree to disagree over some things... let's consider why magicians exposed all the cheaters in the first place, and then went on to make money out of those demonstrations...its the context... as for the rest, its not the trick...its 'you'...pretty much every technique most people will use has been published, and available for years...anyone with a modicum of sense can google for a magic or mentalism dvd...learn the secrets and 'know how its done'...its down to your performance, your ability to connect and all those things...
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I think everyone agrees that all exposure is absolutely dreadful. But when it happens we get together and talk in this light way to keep ourselves up and remind ourselves that although it matters, it doesn't 'really' matter (hope that makes sense. LOL). We simply have to be positive about it all.
But if I had the choice , yes, I would break all the fingers of the exposer. Or take a photograph of him with his pants (that's underwear in UK) down, in Burton's window. ('Burton'... leading men's clothing and fashion retailers in 60's and 70's UK). That last part is a saying: "You've gone and shown your ars- in Burton's window. This is the last thing a man's man would want to do here in the UK. bobser P.s.: I've got nothing to do today.
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Withnail Special user 974 Posts |
I'm with Stuart on this one... I think people in the UK won't be watching this much at all... Smug central charaters, unbelievable plot lines... As predictable as an ambitious card routine.
If it wasn't for the night job, I wouldn't have even bothered tuning in a second time. I apprecieate there's a bog 'don't expose' thing going on, but the reverse of that coin, is that if people don't make a load of noise about it, it'll just fade away. People won't care or remember what happened in series two, episode 4 (or whatever) and we'll be free to roam the Cafés, bars and clubs, making 20-year-old women scream in amazements and want to marry us.
Yet again that oaf has destroyed my day
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
The series will replay of course, they play reruns every other episode.
Learn hynosis and use it in your mentalism act. Make them forget all about the exposure. At least if someone is busted for the NW, they will identify you with Patrick Jane which isn't so bad. He makes a lot of money doing what he does. I usually ask how many of the audience has seen the mentalist and only a few hands go up. Most still do not know what a mentalist is where I live and it gets old having to explain it to them. Even on the show, his boss instroduced him as "sort of a magician." Mo
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mormonyoyoman Inner circle I dug 5,000 postholes, but I have only 2440 Posts |
Come on now, Oyama, do two wrongs make a right?
We all seem to agree that Exposure Is Bad, even if you say we don't agree on it. What we've been talking about is What Do We Do? Do we sit around and grumble bitterly on green magic forums or do we try to rise above it? Or do we become so bitter and cynical that we say we're going to get even with everyone on this board by exposing everything ourselves? Exposure happens. It will continue to happen. What do we DO about it? Whining won't do a bit of good. Whining to TV networks won't do a bit of good. And whining about it on the internet is counter-productive, because we could be using that time practicing until we're so good that no one would be able to think we were "doing something" whether behind our backs or in plain sight. *jeep! --Grandpa
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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
Why not grandpa? It's no big deal. Exposure doesn't hurt anyone. I will get paid!
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