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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Dang those top rated US TV shows!
PS: I just brought my swami out of retirement too.
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
...this is not the first example of exposure on the show...
I for one do not use a NW because it has been exposed in other sources as well (including books for young kids on magic, etc). Make your performances bullet proof guys... Do what can not be exposed. J
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I do PW all the time. It took great pain to see Consultant Fake Psychic Jane to do that to the baseball. Anything behind the back has its negative nature I suppose.
I wonder if further episodes will go after mentalism props and methods. I have not watched the full episode so wondering it this was really necessary.
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
The whole issue of "exposure" is completely overblown. It's not going to affect your shows. Well it shouldn't affect your shows if your performances are focused on entertaining and interacting with your audience rather than focused on fooling them.
To say you don't use a swami or one-ahead or whatever because it's "been exposed" is the completely wrong attitude to have. These are just methods, methods that can easily be disguised by any mentalist with any amount of real-world performing experience. So some of you think the nw is dead because it was shown on TV? I hope you weren't one of those guys who dropped $1,500 on a mind reading goose because I guess you'd be out of luck then. If you have doubts, learn about the cancellation principle. Learn it, love it, live it. It will open a whole new world of possibilities for you. |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Crap, was the mind reading goose also exposed Domino?
:cool: PS: I love the cancellation principle. I wish I could use it for every effect but for now, PS is a great set up for real time book tests.
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 00:05, DerZauberer wrote: Quote:
On 2009-12-18 10:06, magicFreak2 wrote: The blister effect was exposed years ago by Penn & Teller on Randi's "Exploring Psychic Powers-Live" special.
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
That may be true, but people actually watch The Mentalist...
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paisa23 Inner circle 7293 Posts |
Yeah they do but people forget everything.. Just ask someone to describe and effect you did for them... 9 out 10 times it will be sooooo much more exagerated then the effect.. The Swami Gimmick that he use was a shock to me. But honestly all it did was remind me I had some in my closet and that its time to bring it back out... Now if your worried don't use a Base Ball use a Post it pad.. Trust me in Laymens eyes it will go over as a complete different effect..
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 10:09, Elcio wrote: Elcio, You will notice that on that web page, when you look at the consultant for The Mentalist, you will see the date 2004. About 4 years before the current show started, and a couple of years before it was in production. As others have correctly pointed out, Ted K was a consultant on the Gerry McCambridge NBC special, "The Mentalist". Ted K is a good friend of mine and I can tell you that he hates exposure of any kind. I think you need to be much more careful in making accusations and possibly damaging someone's good name.
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<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Yeah I cannot see anyone in the mentalism field who would want anything exposed on a popular TV show.
I watched the entire episode and the NW exposure was not necessary at all. The show has helped my exposure and I do like watching it but have a bit of a sour taste, at least for now. Now I have to get rid of my crystal I was going to try and peddle off. Dang carnies, come into our town, steal our women, sell snake oil and use NWs when they grow up. :cool:
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jarmstrong New user 13 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 10:19, Jim Sisti wrote: Hey there guys. Just so its very clear I am not currently and have not been for this whole season, the consult on the show. I was let go in a budget cut at the end of last season, though I'm still freindly with most of the production staff. As far as I know, the current consultant is a thing called Google and a copy of "13 Steps" that was found on Amazon but I don't know for sure. Jon |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
As long as you don't use a baseball nor place it behind your back, you should be okay.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 12:26, Domino Magic wrote: I disagree. If we were stage magicians I would agree. We are mystery entertainers and once the mystery is gone (even if it is the wrong method) the entertainment suffers. It might still be good fun and everyone has a great time, but a little something is missing. I personally feel that many mentalists don't give their audience enough credit. They are not idiots. They don't just forget. If it doesn't matter than why do so many of use go so far to make sure that everyone knows that we are not doing what we are really doing? |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I loved The Mentalist when it first came out. I no longer watch it.
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Jon:
Thank you for posting. Sorry to hear about the cuts. If they are using Google and 13 Steps, this place here may be a source. I think if you google "13 Steps" the magic Café come out on top of the list. Tony |
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oralroberts Special user South Africa 930 Posts |
I think you guys are underestimating the power and intelligence of audiences...
The lay public don't really care about "specifics"...i.e they NOW know of a "small pencil" that can fill in details....they don't care about envelopes or anything else, they NOW KNOW how Menatlists do it. Period. This is such a shame for the show...and please don't tell me that it won't do anything bad for us mentalist's...please, EVERY bit of exposure is bad. Audience are intelligent, I guess it's a another strike for us. Such a pity. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 15:11, oralroberts wrote: I agree !!!!!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 14:43, chichi711 wrote: I know how some mentalists feel about "magicians", but like it or not, they too are mystery entertainers. Quote:
I personally feel that many mentalists don't give their audience enough credit. They are not idiots. They don't just forget. If it doesn't matter than why do so many of use go so far to make sure that everyone knows that we are not doing what we are really doing? I don't know what your real-world performing experience is or your level of experience as a mentalist, but I guarantee that any competent mentalist could perform an effect with a nw right after that show aired and the audience would have no idea of the method. The mystery wouldn't be lost. It's too bad you don't understand or agree with that and I feel that you're going to have a frustrating experience with all of this especially if the series shows more in the future. You should read Osterlind's work on predicting birthdays. With a little knowledge and experience the audience will believe you got their birthday BEFORE they even told you what it is. Even though you're still going to end up using a nw, the mystery has begun before they tell you the exact date. With all the knowledge and resources we have at our disposal today, I just can't believe some of you guys are getting so worked up over this. You have two choices - give up or take advantage of the situation. I'm sensing that many of you are going to give up if the show exposes any more. The rest of us are going to take advantage of the situation and be one step ahead of the audience in anticipation they may be familiar with the method. |
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oralroberts Special user South Africa 930 Posts |
Domino Magic:
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With all the knowledge and resources we have at our disposal today, I just can't believe some of you guys are getting so worked up over this. You have two choices - give up or take advantage of the situation. I'm sensing that many of you are going to give up if the show exposes any more. The rest of us are going to take advantage of the situation and be one step ahead of the audience in anticipation they may be familiar with the method. You see Domino, the point is, any exposure is not good. There are not "two choices", and the answer is simply not to "give up", or to "take advantage" of the situation. The point is: Exposure is negative, and audiences don't care about "specifics". Your argument about Osterlind's Birthday effect is not valid. i.e an audiences' response could possibly be: "oh, you filled it in with one of those small pencils I saw on TV..." blah blah, they don't care about folded paper, or deeper psychology such timed misdirection. Exposing the NW or ANY other gimmick is negative in the greater scheme of things. Yes, we have the internet and all technology, but what about poor old Joe Soap who just watches TV and wasn't looking for the secret to a great effect? Well, now he knows, even though he didn't really go searching for it. |
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
I'm not saying exposure is good. What I'm saying is this - there is nothing and I mean nothing you can do about it. So you have a couple of choices as to how you are going to deal with the inevitable. Give up or take advantage of it.
I think it's going to be guys like you who are going to get so frustrated with these minor issues that you're ultimately going to give it up. You're so focused on the method that was exposed that you're missing out on the bigger picture. I can pretty much guarantee that some of the top mentalists will not stop using a nw. A lot of insecure performers will and hobbyists will because they're more focused on the method than the presentation. And if you don't understand how the presentation hides the method, well all I can do is repeat my earlier statement - there are so many resources available to educate yourself so these incidents don't become a problem for you. |
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