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andini1 New user UK 93 Posts |
I also like the move. To a layman it's just magic.
As a matter of fact I love the whole routine. I've been doing this effect now, including the finger scissors bit (twice), in every show (strolling/cabaret/childrens) for the last 30 years. The whole routine consists of 6 effects; it starts "dirty" and "finishes" clean. I don't do the "Removing The Ends" part so therefore the extra bit is always with the main rope and laymen simply don't have a clue! I think it helps if you can maintain eye contact with the audience and manipulate the rope without having to study the hands. My presentation utilises comedy patter and the "cutting" is always combined with a double-take. The pace of the routine is fairly fast so therefore the audience don't have time to figure it out. It plays for about two minutes - they don't have time to blink!! To finish I totally destroy the idea of a trick rope by throwing the main rope into the audience and then for my next trick I ask for the assistance of a spectator - someone holding a piece of rope !!! |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I use the finger scissors. If the audience reacts in a knowing way, you've performed it wrong. It requires the proper context, in order for it to be deceptive.
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InventorRu New user 84 Posts |
I didn't like the finger scissors right from the off so adapted a normal pair not to cut.It took a fair amount of practice even then but now use them with confidence.
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
I don't really like finger scissors but I think moving a knot is even worse. I think both not only border on exposure but are exposure. As for entertainment, well I guess some people find "The Masked Magician" type of show entertaining too.
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magomarko New user 62 Posts |
I don't understand why some say this is a giveaway. Not in my experience. Maybe you have been watching the wrong magicians .
I learned this move many years ago from a night club professional who always got excellent public reaction with it, in other words, it was a magical effect in his hands. I know, I saw it many times in public. He performed it in the context of the old Senor Mardo Rope Routine. My own experience is this: I have been doing this for more than 25 years and it is followed by another move some think is a giveaway which is the sliding out or moving of the knot in the rope. Judging from audience reactions, the spectators find the whole sequence very puzzling and not a giveaway at all. Marko |
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KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
Years ago Tannens sold my efect 'Diagonal Move'. sed my fingers like a hole punch. to punch a hole near one diagonal corner then magically slide the hole to the opposite diagonal corner. I asked them to pretend my fingers were a hole punch. THe effect was surprising enough that no one wver questioned the logic of it.
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mikethemagician New user 91 Posts |
If it's done right I really like it, don't think it's a giveaway.
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Cabrera Special user Seattle 513 Posts |
If you can restore the rope without tape; why would you need scissors to cut it? It's supposed to be "Magic"
"The quilt of life is woven with many different threads"
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2010-02-24 21:13, Cabrera wrote: There is logic to be had with this comment. I do my "Dances with Ropes" un-gimmicked and in essence change length and combine ropes without scissors or tape. The finger scissors are like sign language turned real. An imaginary scissor which acts on a real object. A mime's dream. If done convincingly, stuns the mind and becomes a skip in the process of reverse engineering. A double-take of thought.
Illusionist, Illusionist consulting, product development, stage consultant, seasoned performer for over 35 years. Specializing in original effects. Highly opinionated, usually correct, and not afraid of jealous critics. I've been a puppet, a pirate, a pawn and a King. Free lance gynecologist.
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
When they see one rope and I cut it with finger scissors the first thing I hear is a gasp. By the time that gasp escapes their lips the next thing happens. No time to think or an@lyze only react to the next thing. I'd say it's about timing. Cut the rope and just stand there well yeah, could be not so good.
You know why don't act naive.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
This is how I handle it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3UYEPFeO0 Everyone is looking at the kid and the scissors so the cut rope comes as a greater surprise. It becomes a minor magic moment instead of a throw away gag.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Excellent performance, and great use of the invisible scissors move. Payne please tell me who was that handsome magician?
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
Hi Payne,
I enjoyed how you used the scissors for the cut... looks very magical Regards, Steve
"Impossible? Your audience will think so..." TM
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2010-02-25 17:25, Al Angello wrote: I'm not sure but I thinke he's the fourth guy in the thirteenth row.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
You got me buddie. It was great to watch you perform.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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gphrenol Regular user 112 Posts |
Most any visual slight can be used with great affect if the performer can pull it off. We have no strong rules, just our own limits that we can expand on. Nice video Payne....
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On 2009-12-22 12:16, magicians wrote: Decades ago, I picked this bit up from the original release of the Mark Wilson course, and used it to good effect every time I did my cut and restored. I even do the corny bit about sharpening the "dull" finger scissors on my teeth, (Hey, I like corny, what can I say?) I don't so it as a serious thing. just as a bit of "fun" and try to project that to the audience, it's the attitude, the vibes that they pick up on, I think. I always get smiles or chuckles when use it, so it stays in. Your mileage may vary, of course.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Ugabuga New user 14 Posts |
I usually don’t reply here, just read.
But after reading this thread I had to respond. My name is Gidi, a magician from Israel. To all who think that pulling off the ends and cutting with the fingers is a giveaway: You are all forgetting that there are lay people in this world. And what does not seem deceptive to you – looks magical too them (you of course know about the extra piece- lay people do not) Magicians cannot think like lay people. No matter how hard the try they cannot unlearn what they know. They forgot what its like to be a layman. Kindda like Robin Williams in the movie hook. That he forgot he was peter pan. So the only way to get a honest opinion is to show it to a layperson. I think the move is wonderful! And deceptive. Why? Because I do it and people love it. I can see the pupils in there eye expand with excitement. And jaws drop: All this happens – if done technically well, and in context. It's all technical and context sensitive. And may vary from routine to routine and performer and performer… Most people dismiss it very fast because they did it a few times and got caught. So they decided it is not deceptive. If we all gave up after getting caught with a double card – were would we be? About why the effects are still deceptive: In the laymans perspective: they see knots flying off the rope, being cut and restored, shrinking and stretching. They see all these surrealistic and imposable things happening: pulling off the ends and cutting with the fingers blends in with all the chaos going around. You are the magician. – your job is to make crazy and surreal events happen. And if you routine to start clean and end clean, so the rope can be inspected – there is no reason in the world for one to assume a presents off a smaller rope being in play. The only logic explanation for a layperson to give for these types of effects is the use of magnets and glue… The rope being examined – eliminates them. That mixed with the finesse described on this thread (of "cutting" 4 inches under the hand and releasing a folded part – I came up with something like that independently, I see now it has been though of by sanders before me.) For summary Maybe it does not work for you. But its far from being a giveaway. If you don’t do it – your loss. Better for me =] Cheers gidi |
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epoptika Elite user Florida 477 Posts |
Good response Gidi!
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
I do not know this gidi person.
But I like this gidi person!
"Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks." - Scott F. Guinn
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