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D J Hawkins
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Although I love Daryl's routine, I find the knives are very difficult to use. They seem far too wide to do the paddle move effectively, and I'm really struggling. Has anyone else had a similar problem, and is there a certain knack to making the handling easier ?
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How wide are the knives? I got the "normal" color changing knives, are they wider than that?
denver
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i have the color changing knives and have not got the paddle move to work right. its really difficult for me too, please let us know how to do it w. these standard width knives.

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I not to long ago had a conversation with a magic dealer I know about this. I guess Daryl though a great magician did not make a good decision on the manifacturing of his color changing knives set. They are quite wide and flat which makes them quite awkard to do the paddle move. There are cheaper sets and more expencive sets that are easier to do the paddle move with. If you are looking for a good set of color changing knives I'd suggest getting a Mogar's Set. Though they are a bit expencive they are well worth it.
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I must quite agree with you. The Blade is a bit wide, but if you keep working the move will come easily. These knive need a bit more focus than other ones but it's worth it regarding the final effect wich I think is neat.
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Hi,
I bought these knifes off Daryl three years ago and found, as has been said that they are very difficult to turn between thumb and forefinger. Several friends have tried to use them but have given up and on other threads I have advised trying a different style.
But
They are flat knifes with transparent plastic over, what seems like coloured paper. This means that they can be viewed from the side without showing two colours. The routine is very good too.
I bought a different, better set four months ago but don`t use them as the curved backs flash.
I didn`t say earlier that I cound not use the Daryl ones. I can. It`s just a question of practice and getting them in the right place on the hand. There are more ways of turning them than between thumb and first finger too.
I don`t think now that these knifes are as bad as I did earlier but try to have a practice before buying.
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I use Daryl's set, and to great effect. With a few subtle changes, I think I have a great routine.
The knives are more difficult to use, but with practice that can be fixed. The construction of the knives, helps to sell the effect, as eddieloughran stated in his post.
Another thing to note, is that they look more like the type of pocket knife that someone would have in there house. I don't think this is true of most color changing knives.
Of course these are not the only good knives out there, but I really like them.

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Harry Murphy
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I have small hands and it took me some time to master using Daryl’s knives. I was used to handling the old Endaro set and the Scotty York set so Daryl’s felt odd in my hands. However, they can be mastered! I find that if I haven’t performed with the set that I have to warm-up (do the moves with both hands) a bit before actually performing the routine.

Daryl’s routine is a good one and I use it often.
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Yes Harry is right, it is definitely a set with wich you need to warm-up before using.
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I've never performed or seen any variation of this effect (not a fan of paddle tricks) so I have to ask - What is the motivation for the knives changing color? Why knives? Just curious.
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Whit Haydns Knives to me are the best, they are slim and there's a smooth side and a rough side it is eazy to tell them apart when the knives are in your pocket.
check out his video( Intricate webb of deception)
he has a very nicd routine/
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Great routine .... I have to say that the knives proper aren't for workers though.

Daryl doesn't often release stuff that is anything less than stellar - he did with these knives though.
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Marko, you must get a juan Tamariz video and watch him perform with the knives, then you will know why this is really a cool type of routine. Bye.
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I just wanted to mention that you can get the same effect with the Mogar Knives. I'm not sure but I think that Mogar is the one who came up with the knife changing colors partially.
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Marco asks for the reason for color changing knives? Well historically, there was a time (in the USA at least) when men carried pocketknives (and wore hats and carried pocket handkerchief’s, and actually had change in their pockets).

That is to say, the pocketknife was fairly commonplace. Since it was so commonplace it came the target for doing a magic trick. Ta-Da! The Color Changing Knives! They have been popular since the late 1930’s (perhaps earlier, I just don’t have an earlier reference than 1933)!

Pocketknives, handkerchiefs, silver dollars and half dollars, fedoras, cigarette cases, and pocket watches are no longer part of everyday attire. Yet magicians still do tricks with some of them.

But then playing cards are no longer the “norm” for homes (None of my friends or acquaintances have a deck of any kind in their homes! I have yet to be able to perform a card trick with a borrowed deck, even a dog-eared deck, in any home I have visited over the past three years!), and who ever saw a little red sponge ball in the wild? If we were limited to commonplace items what would we be doing magic with?

Vinny is right-on about the Whit Hayden routine and the Mogar knives Whit uses. It is a very strong routine and the knives are arguably the best being made right now today.

Joe Mogar will even make the knives needed for the Juan Tamariz routine (the killer routine that CardFan mentions). Check out Joe Mogar’s web site for his great knife products.
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Not to beat a dead-horse, but I agree with the same comments. Daryl's routine is brilliant and very commercial (add some touches of your own and you've got a real winner),but the knives are less than satisfactory.

Perhaps Whit Haydn can create a similar set with similar attributes that make his knives so pleasant to work with.

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If you know the Daryl routine and have a set of his knives then you know that you can make your own knives.

I have an old set of inexpensive Enadardo knives. I simply bought some white and some black fingernail polish and painted the knives gimmick them. I mixed some white and black together for gray and made the necessary fingerprint at the appropriate place. Viola’! A Daryl set in Black/White with gray kicker. And all for less than $10.00!!!
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On 2003-06-21 11:43, Harry Murphy wrote:
Marco asks for the reason for color changing knives? Well historically, there was a time (in the USA at least) when men carried pocketknives (and wore hats and carried pocket handkerchief’s, and actually had change in their pockets).

That is to say, the pocketknife was fairly commonplace. Since it was so commonplace it came the target for doing a magic trick. Ta-Da! The Color Changing Knives! They have been popular since the late 1930’s (perhaps earlier, I just don’t have an earlier reference than 1933)!

Pocketknives, handkerchiefs, silver dollars and half dollars, fedoras, cigarette cases, and pocket watches are no longer part of everyday attire. Yet magicians still do tricks with some of them.

But then playing cards are no longer the “norm” for homes (None of my friends or acquaintances have a deck of any kind in their homes! I have yet to be able to perform a card trick with a borrowed deck, even a dog-eared deck, in any home I have visited over the past three years!), and who ever saw a little red sponge ball in the wild? If we were limited to commonplace items what would we be doing magic with?

Vinny is right-on about the Whit Hayden routine and the Mogar knives Whit uses. It is a very strong routine and the knives are arguably the best being made right now today.

Joe Mogar will even make the knives needed for the Juan Tamariz routine (the killer routine that CardFan mentions). Check out Joe Mogar’s web site for his great knife products.



I think that the fact that cards are mostly found in casinos these days makes them all the more mysterious.

I still giggle when I read a trick that says "use a borrowed deck"! Only magicians are silly enough to carry around a deck of cards with them all the time.

On an interesting note, I had to get special permission to carry my knives around with me. In Australia (or at least Canberra) it is illegal to carry around a knife that you don't have a special use for.

Maybe a good plot would be using red and white knives and try and remove the bloodstains!
Evan Williams
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Yes, they are way to wide for me and I stick to regular sized ones.
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I hadn't done the paddle move for years before I got Daryl's knife set so I had to re-learn it with those props and that may actually have made it easier for me but I think that, with practice, you'll get it too. I use my first and middle fingers instead of just my first finger and I find that better facilitates the move with the wider knives. The fact that the backs don't flash the other color is, I think, worth the trouble.
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