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evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
I've read that coin magic is tough to do on kids. Awhile back, I had the wonderful opportunity to perform for a 6 year old (I consequently gave away my jumbo coin). I've never been in this situation, so I wanted to do some tests, and see if I can learn something.
I started off doing a simple finger palm false transfer, followed by a vanish. She was stunned for about 5 seconds, then she pointed at my other hand, as predicted. Second time around, I did retention vanish into Nowwhere Palm/Liwag Subtlety, and I held the dirty hand closer to her face than the clean hand. I "crumpled" up the coin with my clean hand (pretending it was holding an invisible coin, and I passed it to my dirty hand, I then pretended to eat the invisible coin. Now she didn't know where the coin went, and I proceeded with the one coin routine. My point is that I learned something valuable (that perhaps many of you advanced coin workers already understand and take for granted): the ability to read body language, as well as non verbal intentions, is an instinct that develops early on in life. I do believe that adults still retain this ability to a large degree, but perhaps are too polite to call a person out regarding his suspicious looking right hand with the palm turned down! I do believe that the reason why my second approach worked was reverse psychology. In her mind, I'm trying to hide something from her. By holding the dirty hand in an open matter (coin is in Liwag/Nowwhere palm), and holding it closer to her face, it means that I'm NOT trying to hide something (reverse psychology). In fact, the dirty hand misdirected her attention to my clean hand, also because I initially made my clean hand look cramped and suspicious! Evikshin |
Ollie1235 Special user England 533 Posts |
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On 2009-12-30 16:43, evikshin wrote: I agree that a lot of the time spectators are just to polite to point it out when they get an idea of how a trick worked. They say you can only trust the honesty of a child or a drunk |
David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea That kind of Psychology Was Used a lot By coin god Jhon Rsmasy! So it goes way back! ( and I am sure it's older then that!) I have been useing it for more them 35 years! Layman Are Not As dumb as some guys think thay are!
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
It is even more ideal to actually show the dirty hand empty occationally, and there are several ways to do this. I call the Concept "Premptive Doubt" and use it in conjunction with several Sleights and Effect. I don't pretend the approach is new, but the timing of the moves and psychology involved seems to be -- at least I have never seen it written.
I'll be completing a short video in a day or two that uses this principle twice. I'll PM you. ............................ beyonf that, I agree that spectators are often more polite than mystified -- but does it matter? I do an effect in which a coin is placed in the spectaor's alledgedly empty hand, and later revealed to have 'jumped' there. I use some psychlogical mumbo jumbo that pretends they don't notice that the coin is there, but I suspect that they do and just never speak up -- loving their moment in the spot light. There reaction upon the discovery of the coin sells the eefct to other spectators. Does it matter if she is truely surprised or faking it?
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evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
Funsway I just Pm'ed you with a review of handful! Also, I remember reading here on the forum that Mickey Silver was a able to make a coin appear in a spectator's empty hand!? Some of the same thinking you have. -Evikshin
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Children haven't yet learned the errors of over-thinking that we as adults are so adept at!
The child thinks, "If the coin isn't in that hand, then it must be in the other". Simple, uncomplicated observation. Whereas the adult goes through " Well, it LOOKED like he put it there but it could have gone up his sleeve... because he WANTS me to think it's there, so I will have to figure out what he really did...". Children haven't learned that obfuscated suspicion - yet. Their logic is quite simple; watch closely and believe your eyes. Also, children have a much stronger ability to focus attention on something and keep it there. Their thought process isn't yet polluted with all the mundane thoughts that constantly flow through the adults' minds. It can be easier to get one or two ahead of an adult than a child. Jim |
Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
You gave a kid 5 seconds to think? That's way too long
I have a kids coin routine that goes over very well. First ask them where they keep their money - the answer will be Piggy bank, pocket, etc. Then I tell them magicians keep their money in their elbows... this is funny and the kids laugh. I show both hands empty and produce a coin from my elbow. Next, I vanish it quickly, reproduce it from my knee. Finally I ask them to blow on the coin and change it to an INEXPENSIVE PLASTIC JUMBO coin which makes a nice hand out but costs about 40 cents. Sometimes I'll do a little more and use a feint to let the kids think the coin is in the other hand but prove them wrong - Kids will definitely keep you on your toes and they will keep you honest! PM me if you want handling details. The whole sequence happens too fast for the kids to think about what you did and they love the ending. PS.. be ready to produce a few more coins, and/or other inexpensive give away items.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It's easier on you (and them) if you have some motivation to transfer the coin when you do, and some purpose in making it vanish from your hand that they can anticipate.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Flyswatter Veteran user 370 Posts |
This is the reason why I love practicing my new/old sleights infront of my 4 year old sister. (and she loves it too!) If I can fool her, I can fool a lot of people.
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evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
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On 2010-01-01 02:02, J-Mac wrote: You can exploit the over-complicated thinking of an adult! Before you begin, you can very subtly hint that the coin may go up your left sleeve, or left pocket. Then do your favorite false transfer, then watch their eyes! if they start looking at your sleeve or your pocket, they've taken the bait...then you can reproduce the coin (in your right hand the whole time) with startling results. |
evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
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On 2010-01-02 02:44, Jonathan Townsend wrote: How about I transfer it to my left fist, pretend to crumple it up into a microscopic ball, then pass the microscopic coin back to my right hand (coin is in some form of nowhere palm in my right hand), then eat the "coin" at my right fingertips? A simple handwash to transfer the coin back to the left hand, then reproduce. I like to reproduce the coin with the same hand that it vanished in if possible. |
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