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RileyG
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When will this travesty end at the Luxor...???
Gay bashing at “Criss Angel Believe” http://bit.ly/8BIOZG
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I encourage all performers to contact Cirque and suggest that they hold auditions for Criss's replacement.
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I find this behavior inexcusable and quite appalling. I am saddened that this guy is such a blemish to the prestigious Art of Magic.
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As reported, this is pretty gross and pathetic.

Just wondering--does Criss know what the chosen word is before the reveal? Or is that aspect of it all handled by assistants?
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Believe! is a strong contender for the worst show in Vegas, but this thing is a non-issue. He was tossed a curve ball and failed to handle it gracefully. Calling that gay-bashing is a bit much.
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I like the British cigarette angle.Still not good though. One can and does get away with so much in todays society on film,books,commercials, tv,radio etc but there are still a few, yes only a few,this incident being 1 of them that are still taboo.
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On 2009-12-30 22:20, longhaired1 wrote:
Believe! is a strong contender for the worst show in Vegas, but this thing is a non-issue. He was tossed a curve ball and failed to handle it gracefully. Calling that gay-bashing is a bit much.


If he was a pro he would have known how to handle it.
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On 2009-12-30 23:20, edh wrote:
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If he was a pro he would have known how to handle it.


Well, I think that's the point, isn't it?
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I remember not too long ago, on these very forums, if anyone said anything even mildly negative about Chriss, he was ganged up on almost immediately by a horde of fans / apologists. Perhaps now we can see that maybe some people knew whereof they spoke...

having said that, I too, am not going to jump on the "gay-bashing" bandwagon simply because an audience member (who, for all we know might have been British) used a word some people find offensive. I don't know if Chriss knew that was going to be the word or not. I find the F-bomb and other words offensive, but that doesn't stop people from using them in their acts in Vegas and elswhere. I found the thing a few years back done at a convention in Vegas by Penn & Teller and Jonathan INCREDIBLY offensive, and yet they all continue to work without public outcry.

Why is it that someone can vilely and graphically defame the God of hundreds of millions of Christians without consequence, but if someone uses a "homophobic" word, there is an instant outcry for his termination? Why is the first covered under freedom of speech, but not the second? Let's treat both the same way: terminate immediately upon infringements of both, or let both slide. But it seems to me that if you let the first slide but jump on the bandwagon for the second, you're being at least a bit hypocritical.

Let the tirades begin....
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Definetely not homosexual bashing. It seems more like a homosexual with an agenda.
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On 2009-12-31 00:19, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
I remember not too long ago, on these very forums, if anyone said anything even mildly negative about Chriss, he was ganged up on almost immediately by a horde of fans / apologists. Perhaps now we can see that maybe some people knew whereof they spoke...

having said that, I too, am not going to jump on the "gay-bashing" bandwagon simply because an audience member (who, for all we know might have been British) used a word some people find offensive. I don't know if Chriss knew that was going to be the word or not. I find the F-bomb and other words offensive, but that doesn't stop people from using them in their acts in Vegas and elswhere. I found the thing a few years back done at a convention in Vegas by Penn & Teller and Jonathan INCREDIBLY offensive, and yet they all continue to work without public outcry.

Why is it that someone can vilely and graphically defame the God of hundreds of millions of Christians without consequence, but if someone uses a "homophobic" word, there is an instant outcry for his termination? Why is the first covered under freedom of speech, but not the second? Let's treat both the same way: terminate immediately upon infringements of both, or let both slide. But it seems to me that if you let the first slide but jump on the bandwagon for the second, you're being at least a bit hypocritical.

Let the tirades begin....

Scott, the guys crying the loudest right now, were those who were the biggest defenders.

It is funny Scott, look back at all the Criss Angel bashing threads here and it is the same people saying the same things. They for whatever reason have an agenda and are just using the "outrage" they have here for that purpose. It is transparant and pathetic on a lot of levels.

Now they will take and twist things into their own twisted little version of logic and claim we are the bad guys. Oddly enough I have not addressed the issue but watch the bashers come and twist what I say.

These guys have nothing to do but scour the internet to find things like this. Seems that it would be time better spent doing other things but hey it is not my time. When the show closes they will claim victory in some pathetic fashion. Oh well.
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I guess either Mr. Angle has never thought of having an "out" for a live audience participation trick, or he was ok with using that, rather offensive, word. Perhaps both, given who and what he is...
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On 2009-12-31 00:19, Scott F. Guinn wrote:

Why is it that someone can vilely and graphically defame the God of hundreds of millions of Christians without consequence, but if someone uses a "homophobic" word, there is an instant outcry for his termination? Why is the first covered under freedom of speech, but not the second? Let's treat both the same way: terminate immediately upon infringements of both, or let both slide. But it seems to me that if you let the first slide but jump on the bandwagon for the second, you're being at least a bit hypocritical.



I COULD NOT have said it better. Thanks Scott!
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On 2009-12-31 02:33, gaddy wrote:
I guess either Mr. Angle has never thought of having an "out" for a live audience participation trick, or he was ok with using that, rather offensive, word. Perhaps both, given who and what he is...


I have to admit I like to try to think of everything, but would never have thought of an "out" for that rather offensive word. I would after that though I tell you.
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On 2009-12-30 20:36, landmark wrote:
As reported, this is pretty gross and pathetic.

Just wondering--does Criss know what the chosen word is before the reveal? Or is that aspect of it all handled by assistants?


Good point. We have the greatest magicians in the world on this board. Does anyone know which method he uses? It sounded like a prediction where the banner was folded up in an envelope before the reveal. If that was the case, the word was uncalled for.
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On 2009-12-31 00:19, Scott F. Guinn wrote:

Why is it that someone can vilely and graphically defame the God of hundreds of millions of Christians without consequence, but if someone uses a "homophobic" word, there is an instant outcry for his termination? Why is the first covered under freedom of speech, but not the second? Let's treat both the same way: terminate immediately upon infringements of both, or let both slide. But it seems to me that if you let the first slide but jump on the bandwagon for the second, you're being at least a bit hypocritical.

Let the tirades begin....


There was a huge outcry in the magic community over the second coming of christ gag at the amazing Jonathan Roast at the WMS seminar a decade or so ago. There are people who to this day will not go see their show because of it. Why it didn't garner the same response in the media as the current Angel flap is because the skit took place at a private function where the general public was not permitted. The audience was warned that offensive acts would be performed as well. It was held after midnight to preclude the attendance of minors (not that this worked). And it was a roast for the Amazing Jonathan! One really had to expect the worse.

Chris Angels faux pax however took place at a public show. The audience wasn't warned that offensive material or really bad magic would be performed. More than likely there were children in the audience and the Amazing Jonathan wasn't even there. So really it's an apples and oranges sort of thing.

Chris gets a newspaper article written on him and a single thread at the café about the slur. Not that much of an issue.

Penn and Teller get written up in a couple of the trade journals and several threads on the Café about the issue that raged for several days, if not weeks before getting pulled.

I really don't see the hypocrisy. Both issues raised the ire of the magic community and a substantial amount of saber rattling ensued.
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On 2009-12-31 11:37, Lothar wrote:
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On 2009-12-30 20:36, landmark wrote:
As reported, this is pretty gross and pathetic.

Just wondering--does Criss know what the chosen word is before the reveal? Or is that aspect of it all handled by assistants?


So is the guy backstage writing the prediction justs as culpable as Chris?

It would have been funny if the prediction had come out saying "Ain't no way I'm gonna write that word down Chris!"



Good point. We have the greatest magicians in the world on this board. Does anyone know which method he uses? It sounded like a prediction where the banner was folded up in an envelope before the reveal. If that was the case, the word was uncalled for.
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Just trying to get the facts.

If Criss knew the word beforehand, he's worse than an idiot.

If he didn't know until the reveal actually happened, then I could see how he might have been flustered and had no prepared out. Not as bad, though still not very professional.

BTW I think Payne's analysis of the difference between the P and T situation and what happened with Criss is dead on. Had someone at Criss' show used a derogatory term for a Christian, and he allowed it to go through, I would be equally upset. . . And I don't think he would be performing there anymore.
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Good post Scott. Nobody should get special treatment.
"Fag" "Wino", "Junkie", "Hooker", "Christian" if you can't take the identity that goes with the name, change your lifestyle. All are offensive to someone. Political "Thought Police" can stick it.
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On 2010-01-01 14:15, TheGiz wrote:
Good post Scott. Nobody should get special treatment.
"Fag" "Wino", "Junkie", "Hooker", "Christian" if you can't take the identity that goes with the name, change your lifestyle. All are offensive to someone. Political "Thought Police" can stick it.

What a minute!!! What about Ethnic slurs?!? How are victims from such cruel and ignorant expressions going to "change"?!? (From personal family experience, Homosexuals are not "lifestyle" choices, but rather born behavior).

Wino? Junkie? It's fair to point out that addiction is an illness. It's simply not a "lifestyle" choice that can be easily dealt with for some.

You're correct that no one should get "special" treatment, but ALL should be treated with respect!!!

The topic is that an inflammatory remark was made, during a public performance, and the so-called "star" of that show handled it poorly, either through insensitivity or just plain stupidity.

I personally don't appreciate the ethnic/racial/cultural descriptions made about myself, but I'm a bigger person to recognize the ignorance of the people, delivering such remarks.
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