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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
What do you think also about this Modern Art version?
look close to that one on my other link posted before : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGnpKkynfM P.S. Step by step we are runnig to that Slice man Illusion |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
Hi Fabrice and alls,
I think the alls Modern Arts built later has each one a good idea, the ideal would be to join all those good ideas and to recreate ONE Modernt Art much more deceptive than the original. Falconer
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
You right Faloner ,
I'm already at work on this new project! |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
Hi fabrice and alls magicians here,
I`m sorry my delay. I feel the next Modern Art will be much more deceptive than the original. Is like one evolution, without offending the creative mind of mR. Jim Steinmeyer, who admire him very much and respect,because I`m also one of his students, because I have most of their books. But we can always improve something, but there will be a comprehensive, detailed, patient work, and then to have something presentable, convincing, deceptive. As I said, each Modern Art which has appeared after have something good, though imperfect. The latter Modern Art, Sliceman has something good too. Unfortunately, I have no ability to build, I'm a disaster, because otherwise I would build something like ULTIMATE. Falconer
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Ceck this version also Based on Modern Art Illusion and Authorized from Mr. Steinmayer ( so yes you can have also his rights and a documents whit his Signature if you need)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07BCmP44ABs I hope can help. Markus. |
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts |
Bad thing that it is produced by the biggest rip-off builder!
See here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=7 |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Joy Joy that was old time ,
today many things are differents and are changed , who buy today can buy whit original rights and can't find the same props like in the past , ( I know about his site but they still at work on, partially some pictures are removed and soon will be also for others) so is not bad is just a possibility to be right , but strangely many people prefer don't understand this or maybe don't belive , anyway today is a different day! |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
I will add also :
do you prefer him before like just a copy maker or is better what is trying to do now? he is simply trying to be rights? what is better? is a new opportunity....nothing more. |
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts |
A radically new way?
First step: If I would really like to start new and correctly - I would tear down the page first! Second step: Apologize to all that has been done damage to: Designer, builder and magicians! Designer and builder are easy to contact. To get all magicians is difficult. So it has to be an open and officially spread statement. Normally it should also be offered a refund to the designer. ETC So did he go at least the first steps? |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Joy Joy belive me is not really easy contact Builders and creators if you name is Domink!!!
Mr. Dominik doesn't come like us from the "world of Magic and magicians" he is just a good builder and carpenter , actually AFTER I'VE ASKED HIM PERSONALLY "PLEASE CHANGE WAY" we can try a different way , he is finally convinced and he learned somethings on our rules and rights, so to all want try to find a new Deal whit him "THIS IS THE RIGHT MOMENT TO ASK" until I can be close whit him!!! JOY JOY did you really take a look on Dominik magic site or not ? do you have seen or not many pictures ( many J.Steimnayer's props) are delated or you don't have see it? in my previous post I've aslo secificated about Soon he would remove others pops Pictures , Actually Dominik is simply trying to be rights ( If the people want give this chance but many times this people don't want) whit the builders , actually the first person who made the first Deal is one of the Greatest mind of our time "Mr. Steinmayer ", so if he accepted this deal and belive in this new way to work I don't think there are more things to say about it!! thanks, Markus |
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dahih beik Special user palestine 817 Posts |
Is this the same illusion that daniel summers built .
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts |
It's easy to contact the builder and designer. And offering an excuse and a refund is also no problem.
And: Yes I did take a look at the homepage. It's still a horrible rip-off page. A nice hope that he changed his mind - well let's have closer a look: Blaneys ladder levi Blaneys train sawing Hararys slicer Copperfields death saw Copperfields mirror Koles squeeze box pendragons clearly impossible Summers compressed Puchingers Kub Zack Mark Kalins spiker Koles throu steel trapasso etc. etc. Enough said, enough showed. Enough waisted time. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Belive me Joy Joy is not easy contact some Creators,
I told you it's more difficult if your name is Dominik! I know about the others Copy I hope some of this creators would find an Agreement when contacted again, actually the first Gentleman who give to Martorana the possibility to be right is only Mr. Steinmayer, but Martorana hope to be right whit all the magic comunity, simply he need the opportunity. You must know Mr. Martorana is just a good carpenter and an excellent builder but he doesn't come from the Magic Comunity ( so he is not a magician and don't know nothing about magic and magician's rules and rights) simply the people asked him for somthings and he builded , finally TODAY HE LEARNED MANY THINGS MORE SO HE IS TRYING TO WALK ON A right DIRECTION! |
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts |
So he want to go the right way? Well he should delete the illusions from the page. That's the FIRST step! He didn't even do that starting step. (And he was asked often enough - even officially - see the link above.) For that first step there is no agreement needed - with nobody. There is no contact needed.
And than you can go on the following steps and don't build them (also not inofficially), excuse, refund, etc... |
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Mircalla75 New user Italy 15 Posts |
Excuse me if I would write in this post ( and excuse my bad english, I will try to improve it ), but Unfortunately I know very well Martorana's props (obviously I would not buy ANYTHING from him).
I know he hasn't changed a bit his way of building and prop's design. He continues to sell safely rip off and steal the ideas of others. although he had rights, he not be able to change his props quality that is really low, comparing with the original (in my opinion). Tools disproportionate and poorly finished, double bottoms huge, visible even to the less experienced. I also have my doubts that he had rights to build directly from Steinmeyer (since is NOT a Steinmeyer's illusion ), most likely he had rights by Nestor Rosten (the sliceman creator), and then the issue would be slightly different. Oh, please contact the builders is not at all difficult Marcus, I'm not anyone, but I contacted a couple of weeks ago both Walter Blaney and Bill Smith, and ( you are right) apparently their opinion against Martorana hasn't changed at all, but not only because he is Dominik, but even for the low quality of his job. However since he is a simple carpenter stop making big illusions, and started make furniture, it would be better! Especially if the best thing that he has been able to do by his idea (maybe) is the Vivisector (design just horrible) |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dear Madame Mircalla ,
from what you wrote I can understand you really don't know Martorana and Martorana's props, shurely you are just based on his olds pictures from his website, personally I bought until yesterday from many famous builders( Smith , Kennedy an Shank ) and I shurely say you ACTUALLY Martorana build better than Them ! I know you and others can't belive but this is what happen ! About the rest of the story you are not well informed, have a nice day. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
JOY JOY many of that illusions on the old site will be removed soon as possible,
now he started Omit the Steinmayer's props. Anyway change business need time , it can't be done in just one day , and after what happen if nobody want make a deal whit him ? he must start again whit the old way ? I think you can understand this ! evrybody must eat the day after ! step by step it can be done and must be done! |
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dahih beik Special user palestine 817 Posts |
Marcus , can you post photo of any of the illusion that you got from martorana and you think they are better than the others . thanks
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Mircalla75 New user Italy 15 Posts |
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On 2010-09-24 14:42, Marcus.magic wrote: You gave my photos to Martorana and he said that didn't know who I am? Well, I assure you that I know very well his props, because I know many magicians (you know anything about props that often don't work very well? I know) who have martorana props (with my great regret) I've seen props and touched them until a month ago. They were always the same and I don't think a miracle happened in those days. However he continues to use ideas of others Quote:
On 2010-09-24 14:42, Marcus.magic wrote: sorry but I'm still laughing I recently saw many Bill Smith's props, and there is NO comparison Quote:
On 2010-09-24 14:42, Marcus.magic wrote: right, I probably do not know you say you have evidence and you can show, so I'll wait to see them, and how Dahih Beik look forward to seeing photos of these wonderful props (but no pictures from magazines, as he used to show) Quote:
On 2010-09-24 14:49, Marcus.magic wrote: Absolutely not! He should just stop building unauthorized copies Since he has Rights for sliceman can only build it and a few other things he owns Ah, remove pictures from a site takes a few minutes, then he can do it now It would be more correct to say that he don't takes off them because he continues to sell his rip off Have a nice day too |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dear Mircalla (close to the that Spanish Ripp off Gentleman the same Gentleman who claim he has the rights for Sliceman but whit out any proves( as Dominik have), the same gentleman who don't admit from which workshop he was collaboring until few time back , the same gentleman who is actually copying evrytings and has the courage to say he didn't copyed anybody? ),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nkdpDsWEKw Mircalla who is this gentleman? my question to that gentleman is has never seen his website or his videos? who is that performer whit that Ripp off origami? who is the performer whit that copy of Andre' kole 's Headless illusion, who is the performer who present that Trash compactor illusion ( a Nathan Burton Idea) who is the builder who sell that Horrible copy of Sliding spikes illusion( Steinmayer /Kalin) Elevator illusion, death saw , and more? and are really a lot more. what I can say you more ? If you need I can send you a good Pair of Glasses for many reasons even if you need a really slower explanation about the Martorana quality and why actually he build whit a real high quality let me know. take care to you and your close friend. I hope as Dominik is trying to do from few months , (he is trying to be right whit the creators step by step as he started ) I hope also your Dear Spanish/ Argentinian friend can do the same job as Martorana is doing! I know from who don't have any sort of creativity is really hard, good luck! |
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