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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
Hello:
My question is simple: Is possible to have a good dove act without body loads? I don't mean one dove production or two...i mean 5 or 6 doves, set to music, In stage...But without body loads. I have seen two acts of doves without body loads and they are not the best...one of them by a very famous magician that " changes " his act and quit all the body loads. Thanks, Hansel!
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Dave Scribner Assistant Manager Lake Hopatcong, NJ 4849 Posts |
Hansel, of course you can have a fine act without body loads. You must consider using a certain number of props to replace the body loads but there are also some fine self contained effects like dove from scarf. Steals can be made from behind objects on your table or even from the table itself. Routining to music may be a little more difficult but it's certainly possible.
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haywire Special user Philadelphia 760 Posts |
Hansel,
I do two different acts depending on the situation, one uses many body loads and one uses none. The plus side to no body loads is the setup is less stressful, I think both for me and the birds. For kids shows and smaller stuff I usually use the non body load act. I'd say I do that act more than the body loaded act, which is mostly for larger audiences and stage shows. For no body loads, you have to carry more props but its not that much really. Here are some no body load production ideas to get you started. I have at one time or another used all of these. Fire bag dove production. Dove bag production. Tony Clark's tissue box production. Johnny Thompson's hat steal. Table Steal. Crystal dove box Balloon to dove tray. Gloves to dove tray. Dove sized drawer box production. Small dove sized mirror box production. Black art well table steal. Silks alive, 3 silk dove production. Carnival ribbons dove production. Dove from gloves from hat steal. Fire to dove tray Instant dove (like gloves to dove tray but with egg) Change bag silk to dove production. Briefcase steal dove production. Try them all if you can then pick ones that you like or fit your style. I use about 8 doves usually now for the non body loaded act. If you have a double black art well table like this : http://madhattermagicshop.com/magicshop/......s_id=287 You can steal two birds right from the wells in the table. I used to do this, one with ribbons with general grants ribbon holder, and one with some red silks and red holder. Of course, put some stuff between those, you don't want to go to that table every time you produce a dove. I'm sure you can put together something great if you work on it. Hope this helps... Steven |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Hansel,
If you go without bodyloads, you must go with a table or apparatus that will load you the birds. For instance, a dove streamer in my dove production cage gives you two birds without body loads. But a third bird could be loaded from a tabletop. Steven is right on the money. The routine is the key. You do not want it to look like a parade of apparatus. Working as a single, the prop management becomes a key in blocking and working the routine. Drop me a line if I can help you on this. Richard
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
If you have ever watched the late Great Channing Pollack, his 1st dove production is not a body load. Check it out! You would not believe where it comes from.
James Dimmare explains it in a teaching video, from beginning to end, including the preparation of the gimmick. |
Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
Long time ago, it was my lady assistant who wore a special dress and I loaded 6 doves on her.
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Kelvin Ng New user Vancouver BC 68 Posts |
Great post Haywire
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thelestat New user Vegas 48 Posts |
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On 2010-01-03 12:33, wmhegbli wrote: FYI it' was his 3rd bird not his first Dimmare |
ARNOMAGIE Regular user France 200 Posts |
At one period, Greg Frewin did his act without any body loads. he was wearing a short sleeves shirt and did the exact same act with different techniques. (he did it at the "Mandrakes d'or" Festival in Paris.
Then he came back to body loads again. About the Pollock production, Johnny Thompson explains it in his 3th LL DVD. It's credited to Tony Marks, who was using it to produce his rabbit. |
haywire Special user Philadelphia 760 Posts |
Are you guys talking about the hat steal? I use that all the time and I never even knew pollack had used that.
I learned the hat steal from Johnny Thompsons L+L tape. Steven |
tropicalillusions Special user Tulsa Okla 631 Posts |
Body load or apparatus????? body loads are good for the Magical audience ( magic conventions etc). It seems that level is expected. but when you go to a lay audience. then apparatus is good to go. to them, a dove production is a dove production no matter what, as long as it is done entertainingly. they don't care if you had to work hard or easy to produce that wonderful critter. If there friends asked them what they saw. they will reply, he produced doves out of thin air. rather it be from am apparatus or by technical skill. So I say it depends on who you are trying to impress???????
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Dave Scribner Assistant Manager Lake Hopatcong, NJ 4849 Posts |
I disagree to a point. Prop magic is great and the audience is impressed when the dove is produced, however when a magician stands center stage with nothing but a silk or ribbon and then produces a dove, the wonder of where did it come from is greater than with a prop. For instance, producing a dove from a drawer box is nice but the audience is going to think to themselves "it had to be in there somewhere". With a body load, there is no "somewhere" for the bird to hide. I think a nice mix of body loads and props keeps the audience a little off guard.
I think too many times, we try to develop one act for magicians and another for the lay audience. I really believe there should be no distinction. The act should be well polished and presented to "an audience" not magicians or lay people. I believe however, that you should have one type of act for children and another for adults. Kids are much more impressed with the production of a bird from an empty box than they are from some type of body load. Adults on the other hand, will try to figure out the concepts behind prop magic so a well executed body steal impresses them more. At least that's my opinion for what it's worth.
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ARNOMAGIE Regular user France 200 Posts |
Or you must find prop magic who doesn't look like prop magic.
Doves from air (net) is a good exemple. |
tropicalillusions Special user Tulsa Okla 631 Posts |
That's what I am talking about!!!!!! good stuff.
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
WOW friends, Lots of great advise here, Im working on my routine in paper now. Some brainstorming come up and in the summer I expect to start with the Project.
Thanks to all! Hansel!
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