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Waterloophai
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I have a question for the people who mastered their MD raw without mnemonic aids.
I learned my MD with the help of mnemonic aids and I had to learn in fact TWO lists.
I experienced that when I named a card , I could recall immediately the place (number).
But in the other direction, when I named a number I had to think harder to name the card. So it was if their were two different threads.
I have problems to explain it in English, but those who learned a MD will hopefully understand it.
My question is , just out of curiosity, has someone who learns it "raw" the same experience?
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I think the main disadvantage to learning it "raw" is that under fire, you tend to forget just when you need to remember the most. It only takes a little effort to learn mnemonics. Heck, my 8 year old daughter is using them. Harry Lorayne's memory stuff will break it down for you as if you were a 3 year old...something that I needed lol. Very, very simple to understand and is actually quite fun too! One thing I do want to say is, after learning a mem deck with mnemonics, and after working with the stack for a while you no longer need the pegs. It is just automatic, just like multiplication tables. For me, position number 29 = the 8 of diamonds is just like asking me what is 2x2.. I don't even have to think which by the way makes mem deck work so impossible. It would be a wise decision to visit Mr. Loraynes website and check out his memory stuff..His magic isn't too shabby either Smile
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Thanks, Bobby. How many people do you think will listen to you!? Best - HARRY L.
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Waterloophai
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For me, position number 29 = the 8 of diamonds is just like asking me what is 2x2..


Undoubtedly well ment (thank you for that), but that was not exactly what I was looking for. Maybe I formulated my question not wrightly.
Now I master my MD just like you. It goes automaticaly. I was talking about the beginning, the learning process.
People who learned their MD with the aid of mnemotics cannot help me.
I am looking for people who learned their MD "raw".
In corporation with a clinic that is specialised in memeory loss and memory diseases and with the university I am writing a book about it.
So please, people who have learned their MD "raw" (NOT with pegs, journeys, associations, ect.) give me a pm.
Thank you.
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I learned my Tamariz Stack the hard way without learning the second list. I followed Juan´s advice to find a melody to sing. The melody only fitted to position 12 so this didn´t work.

I broke down the learning into groups of 6 cards, no idea why that number. With that in mind and as several people have other approaches I designed a Stack trainer that worked well for me. I thought it would be a good idea to make it available for all magicians. Feel free to test it here: http://www.card-shark.de/index.cfm?page=33&lang=en
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Waterloophai
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On 2010-01-19 05:31, Card-Shark wrote:
I thought it would be a good idea to make it available for all magicians. Feel free to test it here: http://www.card-shark.de/index.cfm?page=33&lang=en

Nice trainer. Thanks.
By the way, you can expect an order from me in the next few day for your phoenix cards. I find it a good (and courageous) initiative and it deserves the support of all magicians.
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Tamariz discusses various memorisation techniques in Mnemonica so you can pick (mix 'n match) the technique you'd most likely would be able to remember by.
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I learned it by rote memory. I probably did it the wrong way after listening to the magicians that used some form of memory system. But, I didn't know any other way when I started.

You are correct, learning the position number for each card is only half the battle. You now have to learn the card at each position number. Vice Versa.

I have been thinking of getting Harry Lorayne's books on the subject of memory but I just haven't got around to it. They will help out in other aspects of life.

Soon Harry, I promise! Don't come in here yelling at me. You are the greatest. Even greater than Muhammed Ali.
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I learnt the Tamariz stack with the help of singing children songs along the cards so every card falls in a certain tune. I have seven songs for the deck and practice number card, card number, I practice every day while being on the road.
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There are four common techniques for learning a memorized deck, each with its champions and detractors. Rote memory, of course, plus the classical mnemonics method, the rules method, and the algorithmic method. Each approach has its corresponding advantages and disadvantages; no single approach is best for everyone, as not all minds work the same way.

A detailed exploration of all this can be found here.
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I wrote the card number on the back of each card, shuffled them face up and face down, then tried to guess the number or card as I dealt through the deck, I also had a deck where I wrote the number on the faces and had someone quiz me by saying the number or card.
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On 2012-03-16 23:09, BenGGie wrote:
I wrote the card number on the back of each card, shuffled them face up and face down, then tried to guess the number or card as I dealt through the deck, I also had a deck where I wrote the number on the faces and had someone quiz me by saying the number or card.


I too wrote numbers on the back of the cards. I also play a game with my grandsons with the cards. They show me their cards and I will tell them the number on the back side. If I'm wrong they will get a $1.00 each. They love the game and I love that we are doing something together. Some time they will show me two cards and tell me to add the numbers together as they count to five. So far, I only miss one time.

Greg
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I wrote numbers on the back of my deck when I was learning Mnemonica together with the imemorize iPhone app. It took me slightly over a month to memorize the whole stack. 6 cards at a time. 7 the next. When I got 13 cards learnt. I recited them back and forth then shuffled them and named them at random. all by rote memorization. Although on some of the cards it was pretty easy to remember. For example. 2nd, 6th, 9th, 15th, 16th etc in the Menonica stack. (those of you who learnt it will know why).
After I memorized the whole deck. I would recite it backwards on the way to work, every day for about a week. It gets boring after a while but when I think of all the amazing things I can do with the stack, I keep going at it. When I'm home with my deck I just mix the stack up (with the menemonic numbers written at the back of the deck) and try to name every single one eg while watching tv or just chilling out.

Finally, I can now recall any card. I prefer rote memorization to others as I feel it sticks with minimal stuff to remember. Also I'm a very forgetful person by nature and I thought I would not be able to remember 52 cards. But well I did and a word to anyone embarking on it... Don't give up. Small steps and be patient. You might get the suits mixed up sometimes but it's ok. Keep working on it and you will have a miracle in your hands.
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If you are going to put numbers on the backs of the cards why not get some other use out of them? On Stackview Musings they have the Nick Pudar binary marking system that uses the position number of the card instead of the suit and value for identification. You could not only get fluent at matching position numbers with cards, but have a whole new weapon at your disposal.
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It just occurred to me. Imagine if Greg used the deck I mentioned in the previous post with his grandkids. He would be identifying them by number to get practice, but the kids wouldn't know how he knew what card it was.
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I use mnemonics and pegs together, which I got from reading Derren Brown's early books. It definitely works. To this day, I still remember the first deck I learned the technique on. I have a much more useful stack nowadays, but it's interesting how clearly I still remember the first one.

To keep it fresh, I write out new mnemonics periodically. If only because "playing" with them like this really cements them in.
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I learned Aronson by rote - it actually goes pretty fast - just add 5-10 cards a day. After that I run thru the cards once a day - takes very little time. I recently learned the Tamariz stack. At first I thought I would confuse the two but I guess it's like phone numbers - you don't mix up the digits for all of the phone numbers you learn.
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I love Nick Pudar's idea - very deceptive. But I find the marks far apart - drags out the glance.
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