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Ruben Padilla
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Hey, everybody.

I'm thinking of learning an additional stack. What I want to do is print up a sheet of paper with images of ten playing cards (the first in the stack). Then I want to stick it onto my bathroom mirror or in on my car dashboard so that I can frequently glance at it and, by osmosis, become familiar with it. Then in a week I'll print out another sheet with cards 11-20, etc.

I know that it's probably easier to just fiddle with the cards in hand, but I spend a lot of time in my car (and apparently, the bathroom!), so I thought this zen-like approach was pretty clever.

I'm a computer novice, and I don't want to learn a program (like Photoshop or something) to be able to do this.

Any advice on how I can easily find the card images online, drag them easily to my word document (or other application), and then print it out without difficulty?

I use a Mac, if this helps.

Thanks a lot!
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Just take a picture with a digital camera and print it.
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I memorized the Tamariz stack while commuting to work in my car by visualizing the cards and reciting out loud the card names and stack numbers as I was driving. I usually worked on 5-6 at a time until I got them all down. Good Luck!
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Waterloophai has the best low tech answer. Also you might want to learn 4 x groups of 13 rather than groups of 10.
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Just tape the first ten cards to your bathroom mirror!...
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You guys are right... I was thinking too hard!
I've decided to tape mini cards onto a piece of paper. Then color copy it so I have two - one for the bathroom and one for the car.

Thanks a lot.
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Couple of other things, you might as well do the first thirteen...also, but a jumbo deck as well, and use those as flash cards...it helps, you enlarge the images in your brain, and can further involve more senses, hope that helps!....just out of curiousty, are you using mnemonics or rote memory? and what stack are you learining? just was curious, I know the Tamariz and aronson stack by heart, I'm also learning a couple others...thats all for now, good luck...."neurons on the ready..." "go!"

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I'm not really a card man so forgive me if this response does not fit the required task.
Dominic O'Brien covers memorising a deck of cards at some length in his book -
'How to Develop a Perfect Memory'
ISBN 0-7472-4517-7
When you first encounter his system it will seem a bit complicated and you have to practise it really quite a lot but once you've got his system down tight you can memorise any deck in any order or even several different decks in just a few minutes.
However just to mention again that you really do need to put in quite a bit of work to begin with.
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Mnemonist

I know the Aronson stack, but would like to brush up on it.
And I also want to learn the Tamariz stack as there are some wonderful effects that are only possible with his stack.

Has anybody ever heard of somebody becoming proficient with two or more stacks. I imagine the possibilities are limitless if you can instantly translate a number to not just one, but two cards and any card to not just one, but two numbers. If you happened to have a deck of each stack in your pockets, you could pull out any one in accordance with what suits you best at any given moment.

Thanks for all the input.
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I personally don't understand the desire to learn multiple stacks. It just seems too confusing to me. I suppose eventually you could have more than one down, like learning a 2nd language, but it just doesn't seem worth the effort.

I would recommend you spend more time with your original MD to determine what you like / don't like about it. Over time you'll realize which types of effects you like the most, and which stack might be the best for you.

I spent a few years with the Aronson Stack, enjoyed it, but didn't use some of the built in features (such as the poker deals). When Mnemonica was published, I realized it had some features that I preferred over the poker deals that the AS offered. At first I decided to drop the Aronson Stack for Mnemonica, but in that process eventually decided to develop my own stack which took some of the benefits of both, and improved a couple things I didn't like about either. It doesn't have the built-in poker deals of Aronson, but it simplifies some of the things you can do with Mnemonica. So far, I'm very happy with it. If I ever want to do poker deals, there are many that can be done FASDIU, and more to be discovered in the MD I'm using (some I've already found).

I guess if I ever heard a compelling reason to learn and maintain 2 stacks, I would do it. I just never have.
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If it's card images you need, look at my Memorized Deck Online Toolbox. Scroll down to Learning the Memorized Deck, and you'll find several card clip art links under Playing Card Clip Art.

However, if it's a 2nd memorized stack you're after, you can learn one in less than 5 minutes. Check out Simon Aronson's Complementary Memorized Stacks, here on the Magic Café.
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You may also read Mnemonica from Tamariz himself where he describes several way to learn the stack. It's in fact not as complicated as it seems at first look. Secret is practice a bit everyday with mem deck and you will quickly learn the stack to get super powerful results.
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RUBEN,
good morning sir(its morning where I'm from), I completely understand your situation!...i know both the aronson and Tamariz stack by heart,a third stack as well. now I know there are others who think that its kinda pointless to know more than one, I understand their thinking on it as well. but I know more that one because for me its fun, I enjoy mnemonics in general. whenever I read something about the aronson stack or Tamariz, I can understand the instructions better because I know both. and I don't mean to sound cocky or anything but, its not that hard to memorize a deck or cards when you have the right tools, one can do it in minutes. now, heres the thing, although I know both stacks, I drill myself, I mean I REALLY drill myself, 5 days a week in fact, 30 minutes drilling, then a 30 minute break, both stacks. why? it keeps me busy, id rather do that than watch 30 minutes of television. the stacks ill use, the stuff on tv, not so much.

heres a scenario with using two stacks:
-do two or three effects with the aronson stack, destroy it with lets say, ortiz' maximum risk effect
-proceed with aronson's shuffle tracking effect into mnemonica stack
-maybe one more effect with mnemonica into stay stack, MAYBE one more effect with stack, then....viola!....everything in order!.....

some may agree or disagree with that card set, but...my audience never said anything.....lol...

however, like a buffet in las vegas, take what you want and leave the rest, or don't take anything!...it doesn't matter what I say, only what makes you feel good. but thank you for letting me in on your discussion....chao
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Perhaps if you were on top of both the Aronson and Tamariz stacks, with some quick thinking you could do some jazzing where the spectator names a card, and you then quickly work out not only how best to present the card (spelling, counting, etc.) but also which stack would give the most fortuitous bit of jazz, given the card named and other variables in the immediate environment. Then pull the appropriate deck out. Would require a formidable level of mental juggling, but then again some might enjoy that!

Scott, thanks for reminding me about the complementary stack idea. It's just what I need for an explicit "card memory effect". By which I mean, I'd like the stack that I pretend to memorise in about 30 seconds to be different from my "working memdeck" with which I perform the rest of my card effects.
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Hi guys:

I hope I didn't come across as raining on the parade. If it's fun for you to work on and use both stacks, that's a great reason! Magic is for us to enjoy, after all. Also, Futurist - that's the best reason I've heard to date for knowing two stacks - it does give you twice the opportunity for amazing things to happen with Jazzing. You do have the weakness of the deck not being in view from the start, but there may be ways to get around that.

As I mentioned - I'm not opposed to any amount of work if the effect warrants it. If anyone else comes up with other benefits of knowing two stacks, please share!
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If I had the time and inclination to learn a different stack then I would learn a stack that was either 2 or 6 out-faros away from the stack you already know. Imagine being able to do some MD work, fairly shuffle (via 2 faros and other false shuffles mixed in) and continue with more MD effects?

I do faros in my MD stuff but I don't have the other stacks memorized, but I do know what the patterns are so I use it as an index for some divination stuff and then after a few more shuffles I'm back to MD order.

Learning a completely different stack doesn't seem like it would get you very far. If you based if off of a stack you already knew then you would be leveraging your existing knowledge. And as an extra benefit, when you're with the boys at the magic club you can do MD work and if anyone knows the original stack you're using (Tamariz, Aronson, etc) then they'll be flummoxed by the fact that you're not using any stack that they've ever seen.
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On 2010-02-14 21:56, Cohiba wrote:
Hi guys:

I hope I didn't come across as raining on the parade. If it's fun for you to work on and use both stacks, that's a great reason! Magic is for us to enjoy, after all. Also, Futurist - that's the best reason I've heard to date for knowing two stacks - it does give you twice the opportunity for amazing things to happen with Jazzing. You do have the weakness of the deck not being in view from the start, but there may be ways to get around that.


Yeah, that's true, and it is more "pocket real estate" too... The kind of mental gymnastics involved may not be to everyone's taste, but an experienced jazzer who could do some fast mental juggling might find some use for this.

Personally, the kind of confidence I got through learning the Aronson stack got me into thinking about adding non-playing-card stacks to my mental inventory... things like Tarot cards and other fortune telling cards, Top Trumps, and stacks of business cards with names written on them, etc. I guess, however, if one is really in love with some certain stack-specific effects, though, it may provide the impetus to learn an additional playing-card stack.

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On 2010-02-15 11:40, Steven Keyl wrote:
If I had the time and inclination to learn a different stack then I would learn a stack that was either 2 or 6 out-faros away from the stack you already know. Imagine being able to do some MD work, fairly shuffle (via 2 faros and other false shuffles mixed in) and continue with more MD effects?


Steven, that is a superb idea; I only wish that I could do a perfect faro! It might even be feasible (with a bit of practice) to work out the new stack's positions algorithmically from the old stack. Although maybe this would be a scary prospect under the pressure of performance!

Anyway, an evening spent playing with StackView may yield some stack-specific effects for such a derived stack.
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