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Metatron
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Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_cJ8FwBdaI

Well, what do you guys think?
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It's amazing how many new guys are doing this. Must be a dealer over there selling workshop plans.
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The only other videos I've seen is where the rope slowly rises from a basket and it doesn't look near as clean as this old one.

I've seen few that have tried to copy this but never anyone doing it in broad daylight, surrounded, and with the rope just tossed in the air, no basket, rope inspected. Supposedly this was shot 80+ years ago!

Looks different than the new methods. Do you think it is done using the same method?

I'm stumped it looks like trick photography, or even MAGIC. Smile

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WOW
It must be magic.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot. Magicians don't want there effects to look like MAGIC.
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Gene Poinc devised a surrounded method performed in the middle of a football stadium.

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I, and most of you, could duplicate that trick....
Enough said.
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Leondo,

Could you direct me to any resource to learn that effect. I would be interested in even seeing any other performance of someone just tossing the rope up like that.

I, for one, have been studying magic for 40 years and haven't seen that duplicated. I would appreciate anyone pointing out a source where it can be seen or learned.

That type of rope would weigh so much, that I doubt most people could even throw it a foot above their head without using centrifugal force. The only thing I can think of involves a crane, and I doubt an Indian Fakir had access to one 80+ years ago. If it used a series of wires/cables from buildings or tree it would have been blatantly obvious to the spectators.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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You may be able to duplicate that trick, but I am ready to give that Indian Fakir a jumbo round of applause. That skinny little man threw that heavy rope streight up in the air with one hand. I think you are exadurating my friend.

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In India the cheapest thing is labor... you need a crew to dig an underground pit.
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No matter how it is done I think it's a pretty good trick.

I wonder why we don't see it performed more in the west?

What a great permotional stunt! I think media would eat it up.

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What a fantastic Super Bowl half time show, and if Pete is right not necessarily on the playing field.
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Shankar Jr. helped me get in contact with the guy that did the best version. He did it out on the beach with MAYBE 1000 SPECTATORS...

I tried to book him to do it as a pre-conventtion stunt for the World Magic Seminar. We had planned to do it in the inield at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

But the number of people he wanted to bring, plus his fee... was beyond outrageous.

Too bad.

Now that I think about it, we could probably have hired an Indian Actor and built the rig ourselves for 1/10 the cost.
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Just how often did that man perform this trick?
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More than a magic trick this is a feat of strength! Just try throwing a rope that thick into the air, a fact noticed by posters Metatron and Al Angelo before in this thread.

That said, in the book Abbott's Treasury of Illusions there is a whole section about the Indian Rope Trick with several versions. One always interested me because the text more or less says it is a genuine Indian street version. The rope is prepared inside... but you better read it in the book and see the drawings there. I suppose something like that could be used to perform or at least approach the effect as seen in this old film.

By the way, the same material is also in Vol 1 of Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks. See page 391, J.K. Wright's Indian Rope Trick.
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Perhaps reverse video. I was involved with a video for a hand product. In it, an egg slowly made its way downward to be caught in a hand. All in slow motion. It was done by turning the camera upside down, and then simply releasing the egg from the hand...
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Magomarko,

Thank you for the references. I currently don't have either of the books referenced but I will try to acquire them shortly.

This discussion has kind of inspired me to do more research and experiments on reproducing this type of effect. The only other references of method I've read was about "human hair stretched between two hills", I guess that's Ancient School equivalent to Invisible Th****! Smile

Does anyone else have any references to share?

Thanks,

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Jadoo by the late, great John A. Keel of the Mothman stories. Has a detailed description of the method of the Indian Rope Trick as described in the ancient texts--cut up and restored boy and all.
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Whit Haydn,

Thank you for the additional reference.

I also found your discussion from years ago very informative and entertaining:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=7

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In spite of the fact that most of the magicians in the west do tend to rub it off, I personally thing that the Indian Great Indian Rope Trick did exist but has largely been forgotten as the secret was not passed from father to son or from the mentor to the disciple. The video posted by Metatron is an old video but what Pete is talking about is the revived version by an unknown street magician who lives in slums in India. I was in touch with him and has some original information sent by him to me and he was interested in come to perform in Europe and I think he also did but he did not tell me how many persons he wanted to get and or the price. His video can be seen here. He just does the first part of the trick, but I guess that someone will add to this and make would be able to perform the second and the third part of the trick as well.

I some how feels that Ishammuddin does it a bit too fast and takes the kick out of the rope standing straight on its own. So the version done by Rajkumar is better for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx_rqOjZOAg&feature=fvw

50 Greatest Magic Tricks shows the first rivival video. There were some 25000 spectators. The video is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPUAlR1qiRQ&feature=related

And off course if you are looking for an excellent backdrop the trick can been seen here, where Ishammuddin performing it for Penn and Teller in front of the Taj Mahal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPUAlR1qiRQ&feature=related

And finally you see him do the trick in Belfast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUym18rbEAc&feature=related

Next time I am in India I would see if I can catch him and get him to do a private video for me.
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