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madcats9 Regular user 177 Posts 
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On 2010-02-28 08:15, Andi Peters wrote: That's not the point. False advertising is the problem which is against the law and against ethics. Your comment shows that a) you don't get the point and b) don't bother running after liars. Worst is that we all assumed from the beginning that the advertisment is wrong but all Alan Rorrison did was not correcting the information but continued to give misleading information deliberately. Despicable. |
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts
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Hey. I did not peddle false information. It clearly states that A drink is chosen. that's is something that was made clear from the get go. We simply didn't give in to you guys fishing for methods. So all in all, Any drink is chosen and they do think on that drink in the routine.
The only other thing I stated other than the link and where you could get it was that a girl asked for irn bru which is true. I use my own psychological force so she DID ask for that drink. Again that's not misleading that me giving you all the info you need to answer or retort the statement before hand with out giving away MY methods So before you start making statements like that madcat. Understand your definitions. |
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madcats9 Regular user 177 Posts
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I stick to what I said and what I said at the beginning of the thread: your information were right from a certain point of view BUT they were chosen in a misleading way to create a false picture and sell the product - this is what I and the others blamed and blame you for.
One thing to point out clearly: it is now about understanding your definitions (which is by the way an odd and obvious impossible task), it is up to you to use common definitions. The common of "choose any drink" is "choose any drink" and not "choose the drink I filled in the can and which I now force you to choose". Moreover video advertisment says right at the beginning: "Imaging asking the spectator to choose any drink and then no matter what they've chosen..." So blaming me for not understanding your "definitions" is just impertinent. |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts
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On 2010-02-28 08:15, Andi Peters wrote: Andi, with all due respect, you have no idea what the spectator will remember - every spectator is different. Advertising claims must be based on what the spectator sees, as everything seen can (and for some, will) be remembered.
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts
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Well Id go with saying that if the advert stated " They think of any drink" then you may have a point but when I t all comes down I can only add what the client asks.
But hey, All in all we stated that it is choosen right there in the add. If you want to bring my character into question for that feel free. Im over all of this. really. For those who have the effect. Enjoy, it will serve you well. For those who don't. Its your loss. Im seriously debating magic in my head just now as it seems people in the community are just looking for real magic and moan when they find out it dosnt exist.. Really folks I'm over it. C ya all and be safe |
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Red Shadow  Inner circle 1788 Posts
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On 2010-02-28 11:54, Alan Rorrison wrote: This is directly what it says! Whoever put the DVD cover together has blatantly lied to try and sell an effect that it cannot follow through on. We don't expect real magic, just decent methods to what looks like decent magic. At the very least, we expect you to be honest about the items description. This is definitely not the case with this trick. Regardless of performance skills, or what you think a spectator sees in the trick. The truth is, a logically thinking spectator can quite easily work out that the cards you used to force the drink with, hold the answer to the trick. Its weak in all regards. Its the 'ANY' drink called for which makes this trick and as soon as that description was found to be fraudulent, you have ruined the effect and it is no-longer workable. I don't know who you are, or what else has been said about you. Obviously there is some back history which I've not read about. I'm only talking about this trick and the false advertising which you have just admitted too. |
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts
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Well on the cover I believe it states that the drink is chosen, not once BUT TWICE! hmmmmm Shoulda gone to specsavers! Now on the trailer it states it a few times. I know this for a fact as I edited the trailer, keep in mind specsavers are doing 2 for one on hearing aids just now!
Ok I have things to do and floks to see. Have a good one interwebs |
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Martin Waring Loyal user York, England 255 Posts
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I still like this despite having to force the choice of drink. The second force explained is one I'd never encountered before and is really quite strong and subtle.
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The Baldini Inner circle I some how pounded in 2445 Posts
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So using cards to force a drink, and there is NO card shown or mentioned in the trailer, and it does plainly say any drink,if this is true, then it is quite misleading.I would like an explanation.
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ziggystarsane New user Melbourne - Australia 92 Posts
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To quote the opening of the trailer...
"Imagine asking a spectator to choose any drink, then no matter what they've chosen you can crack open a sealed can and pour out their drink"...."That's Cansposed" To Alan's defense he dose actually say "choose" and not "think" The "choose" can obviously be to choose indirectly - ie via cards, words, etc... There will obviously be people disappointed with the method here, but then again for the cost of the effect dose anyone really believe they would recieve "a can with special powders in, or secret compartments with multiple drinks inside??" I hate false advertising the same as the next person, but you all should know to read between the lines with all magic ads & trailers, if you need some proof have a look at a few of Jay Sankey's... |
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Martin Waring Loyal user York, England 255 Posts
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No cards used in the second force explained. The spec chooses seemingly randomly from a paper list of soft drinks with no duplicates and no maths involved.
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts
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In my opinion, verbally forcing a spectator to pick a drink from a list or cards or paper is weak. The can has to be in full view BEFORE you begin right? There's no outs..unless you do magician's force?
Just make a billet index but of fl*vored p*wder. Hmm..this idea of mine is refreshing in more ways than one. Ha.. Anyway, I would use "common" fl*vors like Gatorade, tea, Coke, coffee, milk, beer, etc. which can all be bought at the grocery store. Not sure about Coke, but Kool-Aid can come close.
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts
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 <a href="http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i48.tinypic.com/2jchpxz.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a> Specsavers!!! How dare you. Have you seen your own cover! Okay gloves off. I've attached a scan of the DVD cover for you to see. It clearly states on the very front 'Think of a drink'. Explain that! |
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts
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I dare. As I stated it says it at least twice on there. In actual fact, between choose and chosen it states it 4 times. Now I get the "Pour Any drink" problem you have but ANY DRINK CAN GO IN THERE. so what ever you make them choose will flow on outta that can.
So yeah I dare FYI it is not my own cover toots. |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts
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This still sounds like a very good effect, IMO. Glad we now know what we'll be getting. That second force sounds good. Anything to get away from cards so it's "not just another card trick" (per the box - but note the word "just"), albeit with a splashy reveal.
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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How about think of any dinner entree, and it'll be under the plate?
Name any flower and it'll be under the napkin. Think of any movie and I'll tell you what it is. If you are forcing,then exactly what are they offering in their effect that is new or beyond the efforts of any magician to think up? The force or the plot? I think the question is this: Why do I need Cansposed? What is offered here that is new, that I can't do with a forcing bag or a blank Svengali and 10 minutes with a marker? This is not bashing, I'm curious. And, by the way, they can't be naive enough to not have deliberately chosen their Ad text. '...and No matter what they have chosen...' is both incorrect and presumes an actual choice, the ability allow a real choice, not the infliction of a force. Dead on deliberately misleading, and any amount of weasel-worded rational doesn't minimize that. Nice plot, tho.
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts
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I received a free copy of the DVD,but hadn't watched it until I read this thread. I already guessed from the cover that not ANY drink could be freely chosen. In fact, this provides you with a way to fill a sealed can with an alternate drink. There are also a couple of (weak) forces suggested, to fulfil the rather ambitious advertising claims. I feel it's unfair to call this a "Modern day version of the Magic Kettle", because magicians know that a Magic Kettle really can pour out many different drinks.
On the other hand, this is a cute addition that might work as a preamble to "Healed and Sealed"....there is even some logic, as the "original" drink would reappear in the restored can. My feeling is that this doesn't really justify a stand-alone DVD. I'm fed up with listening to a 10 minute description of how to glue things together. Why not just provide the gimmicks with a single sheet of A4 instructions? The price should be what one might reasonably pay for the gimmicks (say 50p each). It's likely that something suspicious is going on with the demo performances, as one girl clearly has liquid splashed on her top - presumably from a previous (failed?) attempt at the effect. Nice concept, but I feel the presentation as given is weak. Of course, there would be ways to improve on this. For instance, imagine you buy a round of drinks, and someone asks for a Jack and Coke. You return, with a can of Fanta....and then, rather than wasting time going back to the bar, you perform "Cansposed", and pour out Coke! Get one of the waiters on your side, who will deliver the drinks.....and you have a miracle. So, this CAN work. Combine it with Kennedy's "Mojoe", perhaps, and even use the liquid to perform the Hydrostatic Glass, etc. As is often the case, this could become a neat part of your repertoire if routined correctly. Potty  |
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jprace Inner circle 2209 Posts
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Can anyone compare this with David Ethan's Spirit Can?
http://www.penguinmagic.com/specialorderproduct.php?ID=7115 |
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Magic Spank Veteran user Las Vegas 320 Posts
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So if an ad for a magic trick says, "levitate any object" and it turns out that it really only appears to the audience that the object is levitating, in actuality there is a hidden support that is not mentioned, this is false advertising?
Forgive me for being blunt, but this is about the stupidest argument/discussion I've ever seen. Methods are not disclosed in magic ads and hints to those "in the know" are not required. My head is spinning reading this discussion, I'm really wondering if it's serious or just trying to bump a post endlessly and sell a few tricks. |
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Andi Peters Inner circle 1330 Posts
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On 2010-03-01 07:36, ku7uk3 wrote: The Amazing Stephen (ku7uk3) sells a DVD featuring a 3 coin routine. Quote from The Amazing Stephen's site: "Using 3 ordinary borrowed coins, Stephen makes them appear, travel from hand to hand, penetrate his fist and then one by one, vanish into thin air." The Amazing Stephen claims that a coin penetrates his fist. It doesn't do this in reality. False advertising claim! What do you say The Amazing Stephen? |
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