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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
..... well we might end up once again with the old argument of what trance actually is and how quickly it can be induced or switched on by the hypnotee.
However, I have just finished spending a weekend on James Tripp's Hypnosis without Trance weekend course. I don't wish to delve too deeply into where I or anyone else might agree or disagree with James's beliefs in certain areas rather than report on the main theme if that's ok. What he does do is openly tell the person it's NOT hypnosis, and that trance will absolutely NOT take place. Then of course he sticks their hands to tables or gets them to hold a card for a few moments before asking them to let it go and of course they can't... etc. The things that then follow can then be any of the normal hypnosis phenomenon. So, what's the big deal? Well, for me, I got to watch some things I didn't believe would be possible. I learned something new. I had a great time and I'd very happily recommend others to go spend some time with this relatively new-comer. I say new-comer because James only started doing hypnosis 4 years ago and never did any phenomena whatsoever until 2 years ago! More power to his elbow I say. But... he discovered a certain something. He makes no claims that he understands completely how this stuff works whilst bringing something I believe is completely new to the hypnotic table. And so... there I was at the end of the first day, visiting friends in London and standing in the kitchen with a lovely lady who has known me for a few years. She knows I've hypnotised many people but has told me very clearly, many times, that it is not for her personally, therefore I have always had the good manners never to approach her on the subject. I might also had that her partner also does hypnosis but, again, she simply is NOT interested. BUT... when she asked: "So what did you do today?" I could honestly look her in the eye and say: "It's funny you should ask that..." In no more than 2 minutes,tops, her hand was stuck to the table and she was laughing out loud. I looped it immediately to release the hands but have them stuck else where, and, she certainly did not seem to be in any form of trance as there were no signs whatsoever. I can say that both her and her partner (and me!) found the whole process (because that's what it is) fascinating. The real interesting thing about this for me, as a performer, is that this stuff is usable on anybody at anytime and on people who would absolutely NOT want to get involved normally in any hypnosis procedure. Worth thinking about. I do believe we shall hear more of Mr Tripp in the future. Bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Ive seen your hand sticking in your pocket when it was your round...no hypnosis...
On a serious note who cares hypnosis exits it doesn't - trance - not trance...there are some schools of thought that say you are always in trance. I give up - if you find it useful do whatever. Sticking a hand in the normal sense of hypnosis wouldn't be a deep trance phenomena anyway. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2010-02-16 05:32, mindpunisher wrote: Well, if you always do what you've always done my guess is you'll always get what you've always got. And you my lovely MP are my evidence for that. C'mon live a litte! Take the plunge. Show yer arse. Consider that might be a fairy at the bottom of your garden. Or maybe even in your bedroom? And my hand constantly in my pocket? That's a completely different thing altogether.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Yeah last time I met you - you were asking me to show my arse. Even offered me £20. And if I see you at the bottom of my garden I will phone the police. And if you break into my bedroom I will pound you with a baseball bat. Be warned.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Ya dancer!!!
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Scott M Special user Apex, NC 524 Posts |
This whould be neat to incorporate into what I am working on. I do not know if this is 'waking hypnosis', but it sounds like it. It seems hard to imagine one actually doing this. I saw Anthony J do it on Chris in Manch. Approach and it had an air of mystry to it. He was not hypnotised and told him to put his hand down and it was stuck and there was a great sense of enjoyment over it. I read about it in Stage Hypnosis by McGill and it doesn't seem possible. I am studying Telepaty In Action and again, it is a mystry to me. With that being said, I have never tried it.
I guess the set up is very important, wording and the physical understanding of this. Maybe I will just get out and try it and see what happens, but there seems to be a missing element to my understanding this to be able to set it up properly. I will also check out the Tripp library on YTube, as well as a search here on the Café. I, for one, look forward to hearing about your experiences with this Bobser. Thanks for your transperancy in exploring the Mystry Arts. -Scott M |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Is this the same as What Kreskin did in his tv series when I was a kid? I seem to remember him sticking hands to tables and similar things with "no trance"?
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2010-02-16 10:23, mindpunisher wrote: To be honest... I do believe that is very probably the case. Albeit I'm happy to accept that Tripp does it his own way (not stolen) and I do love his personal 'procedure'. I hope this answers Scott's question. It IS very much a procedure. By that I mean that although it is NOT scripted, it IS still a procedure which the presenter runs with. I like it.
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Scott M Special user Apex, NC 524 Posts |
I have been in his library and watching some of his material. I am going to get his DVD when it comes out.
So, yes bobser, I can see that it is a procedure and I like the 'safety' nets (my words-not his) he establishes to make this work. This is what I am after to better understand this wonderful tool of entertainment. McGill writes, "It will be observed by the student that many of the effects obtainable in deep hypnosis may also be produced in Waking Hypnosis. Indeed, through your skill at using Waking Hypnosis will come your skill in presenting suggestions that influence which will lead to complete mastery of the art of hypnotising." (pg 52 Ency of Stage Hyp BOOK) I can see Tripp's material (as well as others) assisting to help achieve this goal. I liked his descriptive approach to teaching on his blog. His work is offering a methodology to an area that is of great mystery and with practice can look professional and help to lead to other bits of entertainment on the fly. This is most likely nothing new, EXCEPT for explaining HOW it is done...his procedure, I look forward to learning about it. When I say nothing new, I mean that it is being done and has been done by many of the greats in our art, but not much in the form of explaining how it is accomplished. -Scott M |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
It is a case of something being repackaged to appear new. It is a part of hypnosis that hasn't been fully exploited. So this "new" visit to an old Kreskin methon (and who ever did it before him) has had an updated revisit.
There really is nothing brand new although it can be streamlined and improved. |
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suspectacts Elite user Boston 493 Posts |
I was a ready to get Mr. Tripp's master course when I noticed his No Fail Protocol. Can anyone give me a compare/contrast of the two products.
I am a successful hypnotist who hardly needs another Intro course, but Mr. Tripp's model (HWT, Loops, etc) seems worth understanding. Which makes more sense to a seasoned professional? Thanks peter |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Option C, don't get either.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Hi Peter,
What can I say? Other than I've trained with many of the best hypnotists out there over many years. I heard about Tripp. I knew he'd only been around a couple of years but heard from people I highly respect he 'had a way' and I personally like people who 'have a way'. I paid for and went on his weekend course last February 2010. I didn't learn anything really new about hypnosis per say, but loved listening to a truly master NLP'er. By that I mean someone who totally understands how to use NLP practically other than talk about it at a cheese and wine gathering. He himself never at any time claimed that anything was new either, other than the fact that these were his own procedures. Me? I thought it was a great course and all of the other experienced hypnotists, some from across Europe, loved it also. In fact I've made some really cool friends from it and we keep regularly in touch, teaching each other more, which for me is always a bonus when meeting other hypnotists at these get togethers. I cannot believe James Tripp could disappoint and in reading YOUR posts for quite some time in here I do believe you'd love his stuff. However, there are some very psychic hypnotists in here who, although have never heard of the lad, and never seen his stuff, will knowingly tell you just how bad it is! If you want to discuss the no fail protocol please PM me. Bob
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suspectacts Elite user Boston 493 Posts |
Hey Danny,
Nice to hear from you. Always a good option! Semper Occultus? Always Strange? Always Blasphemous? Whatever it means, I like it. peter |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Always secret.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JonChase Loyal user Exeter, UK 225 Posts |
Reverse psychology. Kreskin of course has been doing it for years, but I doubt even he has the understanding of it that Mr Tripp does. And that is where he is 'new' in teaching the understanding. However I'd love to teach him the direct stuff, think he would be very good at it.
I do have to ask though Bobser, how much of his success is due to technique and how much simply because of his innate talent at delivery and his self belief. In other words what percentage is actually learnable? Obviously a good deal because I do know you are not one to praise without cause. I ask simply because of a debate I have had on and off with James about talent and am curious. "Trance" is not debatable it simply means a sleep like state. Braid tried to change the word Hypnosis because of it's connection with the god of sleep, also by the way the god of healing, when he realised that "Trance" wasn't necessary for the fascination of the hypnotised subject. I send out a daily dose of hypnosis tips to subscribers on my blog and the other day it was, "Hypnosis is the delivery, management and acceptance of suggestion. Nothing more nor less. But it is enough." or something along those lines. So hypnosis has never needed trance and ten out of ten to James for noticing and making use of that. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I cannot disagree with anything you say there Jon. I remember clearly smiling as I read your words some four years ago in Deeper & Deeper: "I cannot teach you talent. You have to have that" (hopefully I'm not paraphrasing too badly!). I feel that that is simply true. However should we ever meet again I'll tell you a story that will maybe make YOU smile (too long to write).
However I will answer your excellent question to the best of my ability with regards to: "How much of his success (James Tripp)is due to technique and how much simply because of his innate talent at delivery and his self belief. In other words what percentage is actually learnable?" If I take your advice back there from Deeper & Deeper and couple it to Tripp's procedure (he likes to call it procedural I believe) I believe you now have a winning ticket. James' work reminds me of a story I was told that if a pilot from Manchester meets another pilot from Mexico City and they are jointly flying a plane across Africa, when the plane comes down through the clouds, although they've never met before they both open their little black books, which tells them both the Standard Operational Procedure (SOP) for landing the plane. They both know exactly what they have to do. Know then, for me, assuming the trainee possess's some talent/skills (your argument, quiet rightly so) with James Tripp's procedure (Remember he's never claimed he does anything new other than write his own procedures)I think he's on a winner. I have to say I really enjoyed spending time with him and although I've never really been a fan of NLP this guy could turn me around. LOL. And that's because I could both recognise and relate to both the WHAT and the HOW. His stuff and how it could be used. But yes, I'm sure he could learn a bit from you. Me too. regards, Bob
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
In the end it seems to be semantics. It is boring as hell.
And bobser as for your sarcastic barbs, which are SO tiresome, I was telling Peter that he AS A PROFESSIONAL STAGE HYPNOTIST does not need any more than he already has. (I am not sure why you think that you are qualified to give advice in this arena as you admit this is not what you do.) See bobser on stage the "trance" or whatever you want to call it is only a VERY small part of the show. To concentrate on it does not make too much sense in the context of a show. It is not about what "can or can't" be done, it is about the theatrical construct of the show.
Danny Doyle
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
It is all about semantics and labels. But I agree with both Danny and Jon that trance or even hypnosis is incedental to achieving an outcome. Whether its a show, presonal achievement or helping a client.
There is even a way at looking at it as trance being an every day occurance and nothing more than an inward focus of the senses. In fact in this "version" you are always in a trance but swap from one to another constantly. Which model you use is dependant upon what you are trying to achieve. The latter one I have used for years with great results with persuasion programmes for business people. From what I see about Tripp is he repackages old stuff using new terms. Also the "success"? What is success? arm catalepsy, sticking a hand to a table? Getting someone to slump forward with their eyes closed? These are just very basic milestones on the way to the real goal. I don't understand the current trend to be obsessed with these things.. As Bruce Lee once said.... pointing to the moon. Don't look at the finger or you miss all the heavenly glory... Some have their finger stuck where it shouldn't be! |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I'm sure Danny that Peter will take on board all the advice you gave him, to the very best of your knowledge. And to be fair if he only wants to do a stage show he doesn't REALLY need to know what James Tripp says, you're right.
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