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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
Someone asked me to learn this routine for a party coming up. So I need some help from you guys to shed some light on it.
Heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGm8TAPXTKk 1 the markers, are these available for purchase, like color changing markers or something I don't know. 2 That sketchbook. Is this sketchbook different from like a standard bowling ball production sketchbook? or is it differnt, anyone know how to construct this sketchbook? 3 the glass is obviously just hidden behind sketchbook somehow, but the glass? Is it just a neilson champion bottle. 4. At the end whens everything goes back into the sketchpad, my best guess is that theres a catch in back of the table that he just pushes it all into. Any other thoughts Thanks, I need the help. Im still an amature in parlar style magic, so I need the help. Eli |
Signor Blitz Elite user 419 Posts |
Really?!
You see someone elses work and now you want help from others to disect it so you can benefit from a shorter learning curve - since you are cutting our a lot of trial and error and creativity. WOW! I love this country! PS The concept of a dinner table in a manip act is not new. Why not try using your own knowledge, talent and magical education and create something that is yours! Food for thought! |
Signor Blitz Elite user 419 Posts |
Sorry - didn't see your last line of justification "Im still an amature in parlar style magic, so I need the help" The best solution is learn as much about manipulation - gather the basics and rehearse until they are second nature before jumping into the deep end.
GREAT books Easier than you think (get hard back not lecture note version) Princples of deception and the Ganson series Routine manipulation Thank will give you the tools to hit the ground running! You will have something that will last so much longer that lifting that persons routine. |
elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
I just simply want to know the names of the props so I can buy them. I can do sleight of hand, I can manipulate roses balls wands ect.. Obviously I'm not going to do this routine, to the tee, I would however like to know the props being used here. Its not like I'm a ten year old kid wanting to know the secrets. I know the secrets of this routine, mostly simple manipulation, but there are gimmicks being used here, some type of color changing markers, and some type of sketchbook production. I simple do not know the names of these props, that's what I really want to know. that's what I ment by I'm an amture, meening I don't know many of the propper names. I can perform manipulations, and parlar, but the technical names that are needed in order to purchase the props is what I need. I was offended by your comment, but the secets are not what I need, I just need the propper names, and or a place to purchase them,, thanks
eli |
Signor Blitz Elite user 419 Posts |
It is not obvious that youre not going to copy espically using the words however! lol it reminds me of those wonderful people in Washington!
The majority of manip acts use minimal "standard commercial" props Check out Ger Copper, Neil Foster, Richard Ross, Dale Salwak, Topaz, Lance Burton, Norm Nielson, you will see that the majority of their routines are modifications to fit themselves. Sorry to be hard nose but I am just trying to push you to stretch yourself - in the end it will be better. That dudes routin is a good learning tool (steals were painful - too much posing and ackward time delays) Not bashing - it is what it is and their is much to be learned. YOU can do better! If not - you will have a good time trying!! |
DJ Trix Inner circle 1197 Posts |
I think that the way you went about attempting to secure the methodology of anothers work is absolutely pitiful.
When you were directed to face yourself, you said you were offended, and I think you really meant to proclaim that you were ashamed to look into what you are doing as you see the complete lack of integrity it takes to traverse what you pursue. You have asked for this young gentlemens routine down to every last detail. This is completely wrong. And your justifications drive you furthur into the hole you have dug for yourself. It is probably possible to secure his notepad, and learn the color changes, and the transmutations, regardless, this gentlemen has made this his act. And if you went about unifying the constructs and creating magic, and another came to employ your design down to every detail, so shamelessly as it were, you might just look at the world and realize that people can be real monsters. Furthermore, if these words slick deep, there is an upside. You can refrain from negating your power as a human being, which is to be creative, and develope something that is of your essence, not something which sounds nice. And by virtue of you reaching within for inspiration, rather then without, your work will be filled with a crispness, a beauty, life, that no other lacking the desence with the intendment would devilishly secure for himself. By taking someone elses work, you put a cap on your own experession, and barricade yourself within confines that may melt into other areas of your life. And in the end, what power would you magic have, should you take this route? |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
None of these props, tricks, effects, or methods are available in any form or any source, be it magic dealer, book, or DVD. This type of manipulation is not taught in any form either.
This young man's uniqueness, creativity, custom apparatus and skill, can only be gotten from him, if he wishes to share it. This is a totally original act. I suggest you contact your 'Someone' and have them hire this young magician for their party coming up! I am sure he would appreciate the booking. That is what he is selling, his talent and a unique act, not just for your entertainment on YouTube. |
Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Elimagic,
Well... now that you have taken a beating at the hands of some other magicians (although perhaps with good intentions tucked deeply inside), allow me to give you a little encouragement and direction that may help you become a better magician.. First of all, your biggest mistake was to break one of the cardinal rules of magic. Beyond exposure of magic to the general public, asking on a magicians' forum how another magician does his tricks is going to usually be met with the kind of responses that you have just experienced. That being said, let me assure you that MANY, if not MOST magicians attempt to decipher the methods of their fellow magicians. They just don't speak of such taboo things except with their own trusted , close-knit circle of kindred detectives. That is part of how they (we) learn. This however, goes hand in hand with more accepted courses of study, such as reading the published works, studying under a master, and applying learned knowledge with scientific research and experimentation, mechanical logic, and artistic vision. Their goal is "Multum in Parvo"... finding much in little, or discovering as you may have heard before, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Trying to figure it all out is as much a part of the process as are many other phases of studying magic. You are at the point where you want to learn and are soaking up information like a sponge. When the information is not there, you fabricate a logical answer to the questions, based upon what information you do have. I can tell this from your posts. You are making attempts to communicate ideas based upon a limited knowledge base and vocabulary that backs it up. That's not a problem... none of us are born with this knowledge. It can be extremely frustrating to "want it all" and realize there are many, many things holding you back, or slowing you down. The things needed to fulfill your wants and needs in magic require opportunity, money, your own ability to use the learned information to advantage, but most of all it requires time, and LOTS of it. It seems to me that you obviously did not realize that your over-zealous nature was stepping on sacred ground. I suppose and hope in the time you may have been licking your wounds that this point is now clear, even if you are not completely sure where that line is that you crossed. So, let me now hopefully point you in a better direction. 1) Magic does not live on magic store shelves, nor in internet shopping carts, any more than money grows on trees. Not everything can be bought "ready-made". 2) Magic seen on YouTube should be considered anecdotal at best. I cannot think of a worse place to study magic unless it would be in the restroom of a bus station. Look for opportunities to see magic performed live, and consider the opportunity as rare and precious as the finest jewels. 3) Anything, repeat ANYTHING can be created in illusion form. For any effect, there are many possible methods of creating the illusion that such an effect happens. Addressing each of those statements individually... 1) The fact that not all magic can be bought ready-made is the best thing about magic. This means that on a scale of infinite possibilities, there are so many more tricks possible than are currently available in a package. The chance of you creating a unique act is very, very good... as long as you learn to color outside the lines. 2) Magic experienced live allows you to feel the excitement of being caught up in the moment. This is like the difference between eating your favorite meal and smelling a scratch 'n sniff of the same foods. 3) There are many books that are crammed full of magic secrets, but none so much as the three by Dariel Fitzkee, known collectively as the Fitzkee trilogy... "Showmanship for Magicians", "The Trick Brain", and "Magic by Misdirection". Of these three, "The Trick Brain" will show you how, by way of example, and some fairly simple formulas, how to create virtually ANY trick you want. As I mentioned before, time is your friend. The longer you study magic, the more easily you will be able to apply the information learned in this book. You will be able to imagine the trick you want to bring to the stage, and then apply a method (or methods) that will make this happen. There is an irony here. I have really over simplified this in the hopes that you will begin by taking shorter steps to learning magic, rather than seeing this as a short cut to magicial fame and prowess. As you continue to soak up information, it is my hope that you will examine each bit more closely, and not assume you've reaped the best parts, discarding it for something new. Study each new piece of information as if it is all you will get. Study each new trick for not only how it works, but also why it works. Think hard about your magic, have fun with it, but just be careful what you ask in front of other magicians.
~michael baker
The Magic Company |
elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
Thank you Mr Baker, you gave me all I wanted in the first place. What I wasnted were books or sources of knowledge in able to achieve the effects in this routine. For the others who commented,you went quite far in what you were saying, to far. An example. The first time you say fantasio or another make a full size cane vanish and turn into silks, what did you do? You asked around in order to find out what the apparatus was so you could put it in you act. I simply wanted to know what the aparatuses were so I could also put them into a routine. Note for like the third time I WAS NOT GOING TO COPY THIS ROUTINE!!!! The client wants some of the tricks in this routine, along with other I already perform into a half an hour show. I would not be producing anytime of glasses or bottles out of the notebook,(which I have already started constructed myself) I will be producing 3 tear candle holder. Then I will go into a candle act. I wanted to know the props being used, so I can then use them to do something else. the markers I see is mostly slegiht of hand which is no problem. But the color changes have some sort of gimmick which I will figre out and research myself. I can see why you would all be so defensive, and for good reason. I would have done the same thing now that I read my original post. But the way you went about doing it was very harsh.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
I think my point was missed, and that is probably my fault for not being more clear.
Not all magic apparatus that you see is going to be a commercially available item. If it is, it is ok to buy it and use it as you see fit, but not if you plan to duplicate the act of another magician. If it is not something commercially available, then you should leave it alone until such time you have the blessing of the creator to use HIS idea. Using the same device, but changing a few details is most often not enough. If a magician created a new device to saw a woman in half, it would not be appropriate to build the same device for yourself to saw a man in half. Begin by asking simple questions... "Is the item used in this video a commercially available item, and if so, what is the name of it?" Just because you CAN figure out how something is done doesn't mean you are at liberty to cop it for your own show. Knowledge comes with responsibility. Showing a lack of responsibility will soon find you closed off from the best information. The world of magic is smaller than you think and doors close faster than they open.
~michael baker
The Magic Company |
elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
I got your point thanks again. that's what I was asking. I didn't know if the props being used were commercially available. That was my question. Now that I know that they are not commerically available, I will construct my own props for my specific purpouses,(making a candlestick appear) And again I will reemphaize, I was not going to copy his routine. I simply wanted to use the props, if they were commercially available, to produce different things in a different way.
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
Hi EliMagic
Looks like everything in the act was custom made. So you would just purchase those items and modify as needed. To do your color changing markers, use some imagination. They could be done by pure sleight of hand. Switch of whole pens, Cap switches, Half colored caps, P*lls, Removable sh*lls, End for end switches ... Crayola makes a marker that has different colors on each end. The routine looks like it uses techniques available to most manipulators. For example body l**ds, sl**ving, flipstick ... Could use a balloon or other bladder for liquid production. Productions from a sketch pad have been done before, I've seen bowling balls, fish bowls, a dove, a parrot, a bottle, and multiple other objects. See Kenji Minemura, Andy Amyx, Kevin James ... Here is Kenji Minemura FISM act with Sketchpad Productions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLq0SgrUkK4&feature=related Andy Amyx markets dove from sketchpad. Kevin James markets Bowl-A-Rama bowling ball from sketchpad. Martin Lewis markets CardioGraphic rising card on sketchpad. Sean Bogunia markets Ultimate Sketchpad an animated drawing on a sketchpad. Andrew Mayne has an explanation of a Light Bulb from sketchpad. Be creative, have fun, Metatron |
elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
Thanks for the resources That link was great. It always amazes me how much sleight of hand can do.
Eli |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Kenji Minemura FISM act is a perfect example of what I have said many times. Clothing, Props, Table, and the Effect you wish to produce determines the methods to use in an act. Many of these acts work out effective stealing, ditching and retrieval. Thus you wind up with a costume and props that cannot be separated from each other. Each trick depends on another piece to create the effect.
The use of sleeving, topit, and a multitude of standard principles can create something totally new. You must have the "VISION" to see the journey and magic. Metatron, lists an excellent sources for knowledge, it requires buying all the methods and then, re-arranging and combining those methods to create a new effect, if that is possible at all. The price is high, but the finished product may be worth it. That can only be determined by you. |
qudcjf7928 New user 1 Post |
I have figured out most of his tricks and how to do the routine.
There's one little thing that bothers me. That is, I need a way to hide all sorts of stuff under my blazer. So, is there a some kind of a harness that can keep anything from wine glass to marker? OF course, the method of hiding things under my blazer should allow me to take out the stuff fast and quick. |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Qudcj7928, Welcome to the Café. It is something that you have figured out the routine of topic, as I have over 50 years of experience with stage manipulation magic and cannot figure out most of the methods for the effects displayed.
To answer to your question is simply "Pockets", horizontal, upside-down, and the standard positions, and elastic strip holders. I did not notice any delivery system. How to take out stuff fast and quick? Hours of practice! No, there is no one harness for everything from a wine glass to a marker. Each item usually has a custom holder. |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
"Someone asked me to learn this routine for a party coming up."
Did you tell "that someone" you don't steal material, maybe if they want that act they should hire the originator.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Faulkner Loyal user New Orleans 249 Posts |
Well said Pete.
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mtpascoe Inner circle 1932 Posts |
I'm glad he shared this video. Enjoy it and not try to figure out how he did it for your own use. The Japanese are so far ahead of us in magic. The lesson to be learned is, "Not how did he do it," but "How can I come up with something that flows like that?"
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