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Mac_Stone
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What material are they typically made from? I'd like to know if they're attracted to magnets.
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If you need to make an aluminum or plastic gimmick attract to a magnet, glue a tiny craft magnet to the outside using epoxy glue. With a Palmo, you would probably want one on the "equatorial" section.
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If I were gluing a magnet to a palmo, I would use one of the flat round rare earth magnets. It is going to give you a lot more holding power.

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I love my palmos....got 'em from Duane Laflin.

Easy to use, and they feel RIGHT.
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On 2010-03-11 10:03, Rainboguy wrote:
I love my palmos....got 'em from Duane Laflin.

Easy to use, and they feel RIGHT.


Laflin sells imported copies, really junk compared to Rice's Palmo. Rice has heavier metal and better baked on enamel. Not glossy, either. Dull finish so it will not shine when the lights hit it.

The Palmo is a great tool!
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The ones I've seen lately are plastic. I'd glue a piece of shimming material around the palmo, while putting the magnet wherever I was stealing/ditching it. Putting the magnet on the palmo itself may inhibit your handling.
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Given a choice, use a steel shim inside the gimmick. Keep the magnet outside by using your PK ring, wand, or a small piece of ribbon holding the magnet and thumb tacked to the back of your table so it will hang out of sight. (This is for using a "lapping" move while standing.)

Don't forget the value of a magnet in the corner of a silk! (Remember the egg or ball on thread?)

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PS --- Music can be very important, since magnets tend to "talk".
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Wmhegbli:

Looks like you mean these:

http://www.silkkingmagic.com/Rice's%20Palmo.htm
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Actually, I prefer the original Rice's also over Duane's. Just a preference thing.

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I'm thinking about doing a half dyed silk routine in the McComb fashion but using only one large dye tube and using a magnet to ditch the gimmick at the end. I've been tossing around a few ideas and now I'm thinking I should make my own dye tube gimmick. I would like to make something in the Joe Porper style where the dye tube is barrel shaped but have the mouths wide enough to accommodate two fingers like in McComb's routine. I'm not familiar with the material McComb mentioned in his book to make his gimmick, maybe some our older and wiser members would be able to enlighten me. I do agree that it would be best to simply shim the gaff and let it attach itself to the magnet rather than vice versa, any ideas as to how to go about this?
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The first suggestion is to just buy the Billy McComb gimmicks and silks outfit from Abbott's Magic. They make the proper shape gimmick out of plastic material.

If you do not want the easy way out, the old out of print book said to go buy 2 Ronson Butane lighter refill tanks at Wal-Mart. They now come in a shorter size, great advantage for waiting 50 years to make the gimmick. Smile Ronson Butane Fuel is used to fill Butane lighters. Lighters are metal boxes that make it possible to carry fire with you, conveniently in your pocket. You may have heard of the 'Bic' Lighter, it is a Butane lighter that you cannot refill. They make expensive Butane lighters for the Rich and Powerful. These you do not throw away, you just refill them with Butane fuel.

Activate the nozzle and let all the Butane Fuel out of the canister. Cut off the top and bottom with an razor blade knife. Now press the tube into oval shape. Now go by some cloth tape at at fabric shop. Cut 2 slices on each side of the oval tube, insert the tape and glue in place. You have just made a 2 finger tape dye tube.

Now is a good time to go to the hardware store like 'Ace' and buy some hobby sheet tin. Come in 4x8 inch sheets, only a couple dollars. Cut a strip and wrap around the gimmick and glue in place. Now cover the gimmick with flesh color sport wrap tape sold at the pharmacy like 'Walgreen's Drug Store'.

Another idea instead of the magnet is to attach a key hook from a key case. You can buy these at Hobby Lobby. When you are taping the gimmick put it through the back side of the key hook. Now attach a heavy duty "Key-bak" reel to your belt or pants. When ready to vanish hook the line and away it goes.

Silks can be purchase from Richard Hughes here on the Café, see above posting. He sells the Half Dyed silk sets. Abbott's also sell the silks only.

For the routine see the Billy McComb video from Stevens Magic if you did not already obtain a copy.

Just make sure the Butane Canister is completely empty, as any spark or heat created by you cutting into it will squirt the remaining fluid under pressure out and possibly catch fire and anything that it lands on. I suggest you do this while holding the canister inside a metal container.

The routine requires 2 gimmicks and if you do not use 2 gimmicks then you will not be able to do the McComb Half Dyed Silk Routine, but the Color Changing Silk Routine.

Now you can purchase 2 Palmo Gimmicks from Rice for $20 or spend $40 to make the gimmick yourself, plus travel time and gasoline. Silks set cost about $20. Abbott's complete set with written instructions cost $65 here: click here

Happy crafting!

Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:24am
Addendum: The cloth tape does not go straight across the tube but forms a "U" inside that travels from end to end on the inside.
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Thanks wmhegbli, I have the McComb book but was unsure on what exactly he meant by the butane tubes. I don't want to perform the routine exactly as described in the book however, more based on Levent's actually. I was wondering if I could use McComb's method for creating the gimmick to make a custom one shaped more like Joe Porper's but with a larger opening. The reason for wanting a larger gimmick is that I could fit all three silks inside eliminating the need to switch gimmicks half way though.

Here's a picture of Joe's dye tube: http://www.porperoriginals.com/web%20pics/misc/dye1.jpg
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Sorry, I do not like the Porper gimmick, just a personal choice. You mean I discribed how to make the gimmick and you have the book discription, why did you not post so, as it is all in the book. And in the book tells of the tape dye tube.

What you want to do cannot be done with a tape dye tube. Sorry, I do not own the Levent model and have not seen it, I just assumed he was using 2 gimmicks. If not, then I am un-aware.

I have no idea how to make a larger fake Porper Dye Tube that could hold 3 - 18" silks that could fit in the hand. The palmo fills my hand and allows my finger to encircle the gimmick. The reason the McComb gimmick is oval is so it will fit in the hand and the finger go around it.
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Why don't you just purchase the Levent gimmick? If you make your own gimmick from a butane tube, you will have all sorts of problems that you are unaware of. For example, when you cut the ends off the tube, you are very likely to have sharp edges. You must get these as smooth and dull as possible before you even consider sticking your fingers into them or pushing silks into them.

If you insist on making your own tubes, consider going to a plumbing supply and getting some large diameter brass tubing. Hard brass is fairly stiff, but a bit of heat will help you shape it.
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The McComb gimmicks as supplied by Abbott's are unique and built like a tank.
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I made my own gimmicks from brass tube. I then ovaled with a hammer. I prefer the two gimmick method as it seems easier to me and you can do the one move that Billy did.

One note cover the outside of the tube with athletic tape and paint it flesh color. Also place a bump on one edge of the tube so you know which end to have up in the hand to start the routine.

BTW, I was able to cut the size down a 1/4" from Billy's measurements and sill have plenty of room.

The Palmo routine also compresses the silks more than I like or you have to go to a thinner silk which does not hold up well. I have made custom silks for the Levent gimmick. To get a 15" silk, you have to use a 5 momme silk. I do have those silks and can dye them if needed. I have made some orange/black, red/yellow, blue/yellow and of course the red/white silks. I can also so do some of the hot pink or turquoise colors for them.

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Note to self from Richard:

Hammer your gimmicks! It relieves stress in today's economy!
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I have the Levent gimmick and my problem is as Richard stated everything gets packed in real tight inside. I was just looking for a way to make a larger gimmick to make things easier but it seems I would just have to use two gimmicks instead.
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A plastic substitute for the metal elliptical tube is the plastic box Mentos Gum comes in (At the WalMart check out).

Just cut the ends with your rope scissors. No shaping is required. For color, I use cloth tape BandAids on everything. (In last nights show on television, had to even wear one on my right index finger. LOL)

(Shouldn't this thread be in the Workshop since it is really about prop building?)

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