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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
Well played Mr. Sperry!
So, another question for Origami box performers. Mine is a wellington version. Now when I fold the box back up I have a hell of a time getting the small box to fold into the big box. I can get it to go smoothly, but only if I grab the top forward edge of the box and lift it off the track to pull it forward. I would like to be able to place my hand on the back of the box and push it forward but the box gets stuck or starts to bind in the track. Anyone else have this problem and if so do you know of a good fix for it? I don't mind putting it back the way I do, but I would rather push the box in then pull it in. Thank you again for any and all advice. Scott |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
I hear all the time how Origami is "overexposed". To who? Magicians, I assume.
No one I know is seeking out magic shows to attend on a regular basis, except other magicians. Likewise, I have yet to perform it for an audience who's reaction was "oh, that old thing". It kills.
It's all in the reflexes.
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jimbomona New user 29 Posts |
Listen to Jim Steinmeyer talk about this same subject on his interview that was posted on the Café about 3 months ago. I can't seem to locate it...I'll keep trying to find it.
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jimbomona New user 29 Posts |
Here we Go: http://bit.ly/4vxmmK . It's actually a great interview!
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
Actually I think there is a great interview with Jim Steinmeyer on the MagicNewswire Podcast. He talks in depth about the Origami Box and even tells the story when Doug Henning performed it without the mirror. It should set you straight about the elements of the illusion.
As far as pulling the box in .. you're doing something wrong. The front section still needs to be in the open position in order to slide the back section in. It all has to be done in order or .. it just will not work. Watch one of the pro's do it online .. don't bother watching the knock-offs. Steve |
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Crispy Loyal user Louisville, KY 207 Posts |
I've always thought Copperfield's presentation of the origami was the best... easily found on youtube
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TaylorReed Special user Branson, MO 743 Posts |
I put WD 40 on the tracks around once a week. I have the John Gaughan version and have never had a problem with the track.. I just like it to slide fast and smooth and with out the wD40 on the track it's just not as good in my opinion.
As far as the whole Mirror behind deal.... I've heard Jim's opinion on the Magic Newswire and all But, I think that it's only importand to have something go behind the box to take care of the move and the Ba.... But with or without the mirror doesn't make one bit of difference.... I've performed it for over 11yrs and get many applause cues even though they can see thru the sword rack the entire time.... I do believe that the sword rack or the Mirror does help to make the box look smaller. Jim was maily referring to just flat not having a mirror. Like you are thinking about doing... The frame on the back without the mirror works just as well... The sucker effect not sure that I like that part anyway. I have family members come see my show and they say after all these years of seeing you do the origami I can't see the girl slip off stage and never see her sneak back on stage either.... Understand that this is with me using the see thru sword rack .... I start off with out anything on back and then put it on later... Origami is a hard effect to improve on... I try to change up most all of my props and I thought theres not a lot that can be done with this one.. So I decided to do the see thru sword rack.. It's just the way that I like doing it and the audience doesn't know any different... It fools them Bad. As I say the family thinks she leaves the stage and hangs out in the dressing room and then somehow comes back.. They say I know that she can't be in the box or table because it's to small.. Just my take on it.. Thanks to Jim Steinmeyer for giving us this great Illusion.. Now lets take his advice and move on... Why is everyone still doing the Origami?? It really is time to move on... Youtube makes me sick when I go watch every one including myself doing the same old stuff as the other guy.... I try with new paint jobs and remodeling the props and trying different music and all but, at the end of the day it's the same old stuff... I call it magic incest. This needs to be a wake up call to try really hard to be more original. Jim says on that radio show that all of these magicians are just cover bands..... Doing the same old songs... It's only the singers with origianl songs that have a chance for a hit record.... Something like that and I thought it was great.. Taylor
www.taylorreed.com
www.usedmagicillusions.com taylor@taylorreed.com (979)482-0714 See: The Magic and Comedy of Taylor Reed, Live in Branson, Mo |
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
I will try the WD 40. Thank you Mr. Reed.
Chezaday, you may have not understood my dilema. My problem lies with the box binding inside the track, not closing the box itself. If anyone else has this problem, Craig Dickens PM'd me and suggested silicone spray in the track as well. |
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
Oh .. gotcha, I used Teflon tape on the the bottom of the box inside the tracks. This did the trick .. I know exactly what you're talking about now.
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
Awesome!!! Thanks Steve!!
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Chase New user Arkansas 98 Posts |
When we discussed the Origami with Jim in the Magic Newswire interview, he referred to Origami as a "sucker effect" in structure, not presentation. By changing the mirror into something that you can see through, you lose an intended beat. By using the mirror, and by saving the 360 rotation for the very end, you have gently but systematically eliminated every hiding place.
Obviously, it can play without the mirror. I've seen Taylor's show and his Origami plays very well. But it is a trade off. I'm not sure that it made the final edit of the interview, but Jim also told me that Origami was very much intended to be a "patter trick", and if you watch Henning's presentation he talks through the entire effect. Personally, I haven't seen anyone take that angle with it for the past 15 years, but it was very effective for Doug. In fact, illusions with a monolog have fallen almost completely out of style. Too bad. Taylor... I hear through the grapevine you're working on some cool new stuff. Can't wait to see some of it. |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
I concur, and have always performed Origami, as well as almost every other illusion in my show, as a patter piece. I find nothing nearly so dull as the 'music video' style of performing magic. It's 100% boring.
It's all in the reflexes.
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TaylorReed Special user Branson, MO 743 Posts |
Someone could perform the Origami with patter and get a pannel of people on stage to stand around the illusion holding hands maybe minus the people in the front so the audience could see. What made me think of this is the family member saying that somehow my dancer sneaks off the stage to the dressing room.
Just a thought. Yes Chase I'm working on some pretty cool stuff and can't wait to get it out on the market for others to perform. And yeah the frame on back with the blades in my opinion works just fine... I've never had a audience member feel like they were cheated because I have a see thru sword frame. If anything they think she slips off to the dressing room for a smoke as compaired to hiding behind the mirror... I love Jim Steimeyer so I can see both sides of the story... I've just never had it effect the presentaion or I would have put the mirror back on. I think he was mainly referring to just flat not having anything on the back of the Origami. I'm sure people could still think that shes hidding behind the sword rack as far as that goes.. They make think it has a mirror.. The lay public is so far off on every thing they see. I watched a magic show at the Theme Park here a couple of years ago and after ever trick or Illusion the Dad next to me with his kids would say it's done with strings... Even the newspaper tear. Taylor Reed
www.taylorreed.com
www.usedmagicillusions.com taylor@taylorreed.com (979)482-0714 See: The Magic and Comedy of Taylor Reed, Live in Branson, Mo |
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
Isn't that how all tricks are done....strings, smoke, and mirrors? ;-)
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TaylorReed Special user Branson, MO 743 Posts |
I'm still looking for that special string that works on any effect.
TR
www.taylorreed.com
www.usedmagicillusions.com taylor@taylorreed.com (979)482-0714 See: The Magic and Comedy of Taylor Reed, Live in Branson, Mo |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Do not underestimate a lay audience. When you start doing that, you're fooling yourself more than anyone else.
I recommend reading Tommy Wonder's essay (Books of Wonder) concerning lay audiences guessing/stating how things may or may not be accomplished. Respect your audience. They aren't dumb.
It's all in the reflexes.
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
No underestimating here.....just having some fun. Do you know where one can find that essay on Tommy Wonder?
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
It's not an essay on Tommy Wonder, it's an essay by Tommy Wonder. As mentioned in my previous post, it can be found in his 'Books of Wonder'.
It's all in the reflexes.
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
Oh ok...thanks. I thought that was the title of the essay.
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Methinks, sir, you would do well to spend more time studying and understanding magic and its rich heritage before venturing into performing it, particularly when it comes to grand illusion.
A cavalier approach brings nothing but harm to the art and, sadly, it is the approach of most who wrongly call themselves 'magician'.
It's all in the reflexes.
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