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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
I ran across an old thread about Duke's Dye-Version and it started me thinking about something. I started to make a post on that thread, but it was so old I decided not to hijack it. So, I started this one.
What I am wondering is this: What do you all use to make the tube for this effect? The instructions call for plastic coated shelving paper (shelf lining paper). It specifies that the size needs to be 12" x about 6'. I don't think this type of shelf lining paper is available any longer. The only kinds I have seen for years is either self-adhesive, or the spongy type. Anyway, I was just wondering if a good substitute material for the tube has been found. I do not do the effect as written, but I do use the method for another effect during one of my routines. I found something that works for me, but I am not sure it would work with a 12" x 25' streamer, especially if it is made from 8 momme silk. My device is 12" wide by about 18" long. It is called a Flexible Cutting Mat. It is a thin plastic/vinyl sheet. White (both sides) is the only color I have found it in. It is kind of stiff, and rather slick, which makes it a little difficult to use. The silks tend to slide a bit, and the other 'thing' is also a little tough to keep in place. I use it as only a small part of a bigger routine which only uses three, 18" silks, so it works ok for me. It may work with a large streamer too, but I could see where too mucj silk might cause some problems. On the other hand, I have not tried it, so it could surprise me. Anyway, I am just curious to see what others are using. Regan
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
To replace the shelving paper, look for heavy-duty gift wrap papers in party goods stores.
My Dye-Version Version (The Wizards' Journal #17) uses ordinary construction paper, while my Mongolian Silk Mystery version (Mini-Mysteries - book 2) uses either newspaper or comic-book pages rolled up into the tube.
Professor Spellbinder
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I have found brown wrapping package paper works just as well. Shelving paper was 13" wide by 13 yards long, so I purchased a roll of brown paper and cut to 13" wide with a utility knife all at once.
Another choice if you want white paper, you can use freezer wrap found in any grocery store. It is also 24" wide and has to be cut to 13" wide. The nice thing with this paper is that the inside is plastic coated. This makes it more ridged and thus will use less in length for each trick. You can wrap it with the plastic on the outside if you want to include the suggested message for your audiences. I realize that Abbott's instructions says that shelving paper was 12" wide but I have never found that to be true, and the extra inch make a big difference. In the old Linking Ring article of the trick, it also said 12", but again this I have never found shelving paper to be this wide. Duke's ring contribution also said the paper to be 30" in length. With the plastic coated shelving paper I found 6 complete revolutions to be enough to use for the trick. This turns out to be about the length suggested by Duke. I purchase the final shelving paper from a store and it was only regular white paper. I found that this rule will have to be increased as when loading the tube it wrinkles around the gimmick easily. So added revolutions would be needed, meaning a longer length of paper. This is my favorite finale effect for all my shows. I have considered other materials to make the tube, but none were satifactory for the effect to work as it is laid out in the instructions. |
Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Professor, gift wrap paper might just work well. It is also white inside so a message would show up well. Good idea! It may be a little difficult to find some that is heavy and thick enough. Also, you would have to find a suitable design, but I'm sure it's out there.
Anyone else?
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Bill, I didn't see your post when I submitted the last one.
I am sure that 1" does make a big difference. As I said, I have not tried it with the large streamer, but I could tell that it may be a close fit. As for the length, I always wondered why 6' would be needed. I figured that old shelving paper must have been thin! LOL The plastic I am using is heavy, so the length is not an issue for the way I am using the tube. It is fairly opaque, so just a couple wraps is enough. The sheets come in 18" lengths I believe. What ever the length I get several wraps and it is plenty. Extra width would be nice and helpful, but again, the shorter 12" length works better for me. If I was using a 12" x 25', 8 momme silk streamer I'm sure I'd need that other inch!
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Regan, of course I am speaking for the Abbott's model, not a home made version. Anyone with a pill vial and a silk streamer can make the effect in any size that will work. It is great you found a substitute for your effect not using paper.
The reason I said that other forms of wrappings do not work well is because of the turned in lip and the easy retrieval of the gimmick. I use the original Abbott's Gimmick and I have changed the streamer to a Rice Streamer 12" x 24'. I also use the 15" silks as Abbott's supplied. The great response from the effect is heightened by the length of the final display. That helps make the effect a real audience please-er. |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Tommy Windsor carried the 12 and 25 foot streamers depending on the stage size for the venue he was working.
You might look at drawing pads. They come in a variety of colors and could be rubber stamped with decorations if you wanted. If you are looking for the plastic material, go to a sign display company (Piedmont Plastics is one). they have a variety of things available. You can also use sign vinyl and not take the backing paper off. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
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On 2010-03-25 21:10, wmhegbli wrote: Bill, I use the Abbott's gimmick also. That is about the minimum size I can stand. I don't really need as much tube length though. I know what you mean about the "turned in lip". That is one diadvantage of my plastic tube. I don't really find it to be a problem, but I just have to be a little careful. Richard, Drawing pads might be worth looking into. The sign material might also work. The plastic/vinyl sheets I found actually made me think of sign material. It is probably very similar.
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
I use heavy-duty, white Poster Paper that I buy at WalMart.
It's the same paper that I use for wrapping my mutiliated parasol in. |
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